Will Sunday Laws Truly Come?

[MiamiHeat]

Ellen White's Great Controversy Book talks about that Sunday Laws will come, as the end of days approaches. But I find that hard to believe, especially here in the United States. I doubt that Corporate America will shut down there businesses for the sake of Sunday Worship. I doubt they will risk losing billions of dollars by closing businesses like McDonalds and Burger King on Sunday.

 

[remnantrob]

Ellen White's Great Controversy Book talks about that Sunday Laws will come, as the end of days approaches. But I find that hard to believe, especially here in the United States. I doubt that Corporate America will shut down there businesses for the sake of Sunday Worship. I doubt they will risk losing billions of dollars by closing businesses like McDonalds and Burger King on Sunday.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Probably.

 

[OntheDL]

Ellen White's Great Controversy Book talks about that Sunday Laws will come, as the end of days approaches. But I find that hard to believe, especially here in the United States. I doubt that Corporate America will shut down there businesses for the sake of Sunday Worship. I doubt they will risk losing billions of dollars by closing businesses like McDonalds and Burger King on Sunday.

Actually the Sunday law is already in place in some parts of America.

1888, senator Blair of NH brought a bill to the senate floor to propose an enforcement of sunday observance on federal territories. Although the bill was defeated, but this was the first siege.

In the same year, the Lord's Day Alliance was established.

In the county where I live, Bergen county, NJ, there is a 'blue' law. It prohibits non-essential merchandise to be sold on Sundays while essential merchandise such as food, medicine...is allowed. All the malls and clothing stores, electronic stores... here are closed on sundays. Also in my town, people washed their cars had been ticketed on occasion in the recent past. It is not strictly enforced. But the law is there in some places already.

Also, in recent years, the 'conservative christians' has gained much influence on the politics. The last election was heavily influenced by the right wing christians.

The US government and vatican formed 'holy alliance' to bring about the collapse of Soviet Union. President Bush called the war on terror a religious war (Infinite Justice) against evil. After John Paul II died, the Bushes, Clintons and the older Bush all bowed down to the pope's body. The new pope and the last pope both urged Sunday-keeping and called it a grave sin to ignore the 'Lord's Day'. Many prominent protestants (Billy Graham, Pat Roberson, R.C.Sproul...) have on the record called for sunday observance. All the protestant churches (except SDA) and Catholic church have joined the World Council of Churches in the ecumenical movement to unite all christians.

Does anyone still need more proof of where we are going?

 

[StormyOne]

Sunday blue laws are being repealed.... that speaks nothing of a national sunday law... and the issue is moot.... the issue is whether or not worship on saturday will be prohibited. EGW even suggested that if sunday laws were enacted that adventists hold meetings and do missionary work....

Remember this belief came into existence before there was a State of Israel of which the U.S. is its strongest ally.... To prohibit worship on Saturday the U.S. would have to abandon Israel.... look at our foreign policy regarding Israel. Look at the money the U.S. sends to Israel on an annual basis.... there would have to be a serious 180 degree turnaround....

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

The new pope and the last pope both urged Sunday-keeping and called it a grave sin to ignore the 'Lord's Day'. Many prominent protestants (Billy Graham, Pat Roberson, R.C.Sproul...) have on the record called for sunday observance. All the protestant churches (except SDA) and Catholic church have joined the World Council of Churches in the ecumenical movement to unite all christians.

Ok, OntheDL what the New Pope said is a non Sequitur' and it has been going on with the Roman Catholic Church for centuries.... Now about Billy Graham, Pat Roberson, and R.C.Sproul if they want to worship on Sunday by all means they should do so. I myself wouldn't mind worshipping or observing Sunday and any other day to the L-rd... The fact that one person observes Sunday "does not mean he is resting on that day" as we do on " Shabbat" acctually i don't know of one Evengelical Christian Denomination that teaches there members to cease from working on Sunday --- [From sunset Saturday to sunset Sunday] ... So to me it seems kind of counterproductive to believe that these Sunday laws are going to take place when nothing as Sunday keeping Exists...

Plus it seems almost vertually impossible that it does if you look at the big picture, no one in this Earth is going to stop me from watching my football Games on "Sunday" just because it's "Sunday" nor is anyone going to stop other football fanatics as myself from doing so... Do you really believe that people are going to stop working Sunday and observe it as a rest day when most people out there are lovers of mammon? I don't think there going to close there business down on Sunday to observe it when a load of them don't even believe in any type of religious practices muchless Sunday observence.... Howabout the airports? Do you believe that they are going to close down on Sundays just because of some supposed sunday laws? I applied yesterday for a position at the airport they have tremendous benefits but the pay is a little to low for me 8.75 per hour, plus i did not qualify for the position since they demanded that one needs to work weekends that is Saturday and Sunday, because of the fact that those days are extremely busy...

Does anyone still need more proof of where we are going?

Yes i do.

 

[MiamiHeat]

Great post on Sunday Laws YeshuamySalvation. I like how you elaborated on the airports. It's true, there is no way business men of America are going to allow the government to close down airports on Sundays for business trips. Plus try and tell big belly beer drinking Americans, especially those who are non-believers, that they can't attend football games or go to sports bars to watch these games.

 

[OntheDL]

Ok, OntheDL what the New Pope said is a non Sequitur' and it has been going on with the Roman Catholic Church for centuries.... Now about Billy Graham, Pat Roberson, and R.C.Sproul if they want to worship on Sunday by all means they should do so. I myself wouldn't mind worshipping or observing Sunday and any other day to the L-rd... The fact that one person observes Sunday "does not mean he is resting on that day" as we do on " Shabbat" acctually i don't know of one Evengelical Christian Denomination that teaches there members to cease from working on Sunday --- [From sunset Saturday to sunset Sunday] ... So to me it seems kind of counterproductive to believe that these Sunday laws are going to take place when nothing as Sunday keeping Exists...

Plus it seems almost vertually impossible that it does if you look at the big picture, no one in this Earth is going to stop me from watching my football Games on "Sunday" just because it's "Sunday" nor is anyone going to stop other football fanatics as myself from doing so... Do you really believe that people are going to stop working Sunday and observe it as a rest day when most people out there are lovers of mammon? I don't think there going to close there business down on Sunday to observe it when a load of them don't even believe in any type of religious practices muchless Sunday observence.... Howabout the airports? Do you believe that they are going to close down on Sundays just because of some supposed sunday laws? I applied yesterday for a position at the airport they have tremendous benefits but the pay is a little to low for me 8.75 per hour, plus i did not qualify for the position since they demanded that one needs to work weekends that is Saturday and Sunday, because of the fact that those days are extremely busy...

Yes i do.

What these people are advocating is not just worshipping on sunday but to keep sunday holy as commanded by the commandment. But they say the sabbath is sunday. Just look up their quotes on the internet.

Also, all the industries are controlled by the illuminati’s. What you think is possible is irrelevant. You didn't think it's possible that the government can spy on its own people without a court order before 9/11, right? What do you think, another 'terrorists' attack combined with a pandemic or an economic collapse will do the trick? It's all about mental conditioning.

 

[OntheDL]

Great post on Sunday Laws YeshuamySalvation. I like how you elaborated on the airports. It's true, there is no way business men of America are going to allow the government to close down airports on Sundays for business trips. Plus try and tell big belly beer drinking Americans, especially those who are non-believers, that they can't attend football games or go to sports bars to watch these games.

If the buildings go up in smokes, the economy falls on its face and thousands, maybe even millions around you are dying from diseases, the government and religious leaders tell you it's because our moral decay that the wrath of God is upon us, start keeping the commandments or suffer persecution or not be able to buy or sell, what would an average person do??? Give up their TV control or give up their lives?

 

[markbelieves]

All one must do is look around and compare now to years past. Sunday laws have probably never been further from reality than they are now. More and more businesses are open, alcohol sales are available on Sundays in places hat this was not true before. There are more restaurants closed on Mondays than there are on Sundays. I think the typical non-retail, non-enertainment businesses will continue to have weekends off but not due to religious beliefs, rather the tradition that was established previously due to Judeo-Christian beliefs.

So, no, Sunday laws are not on there way...she missed this one also.

Just my opinion

Mark

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

What these people are advocating is not just worshipping on sunday but to keep sunday holy as commanded by the commandment. But they say the sabbath is sunday. Just look up their quotes on the internet.

I know what some of them say, i really give them no credibility since scripture tells us clearly that the Shabbat is Saturday not Sunday -- but that is not what most of them teach.. Most of them believe that all days are the same there is no day holier then the other.. But we know this position to be in error aswell as the previous.

Also, all the industries are controlled by the illuminati’s. What you think is possible is irrelevant. You didn't think it's possible that the government can spy on its own people without a court order before 9/11, right? What do you think, another 'terrorists' attack combined with a pandemic or an economic collapse will do the trick? It's all about mental conditioning.

Ok, here is one simple question, were does it say in scripture that the Government is going to force people to worship on Sunday? And were does it say that those who wroship on Sunday will recieve the mark of the beast? Must we believe this only on Herbert W.Armstrong and Ellen White say so?

 

[OntheDL]

I know what some of them say, i really give them no credibility since scripture tells us clearly that the Shabbat is Saturday not Sunday -- but that is not what most of them teach.. Most of them believe that all days are the same there is no day holier then the other.. But we know this position to be in error aswell as the previous.[/color]

Ok, here is one simple question, were does it say in scripture that the Government is going to force people to worship on Sunday? And were does it say that those who wroship on Sunday will recieve the mark of the beast? Must we believe this only on Herbert W.Armstrong and Ellen White say so?

Did you miss my post in this thread? http://www.christianforums.com/t2619958-does-keeping-the-sabath-truly-mean-you-earn-the-mark-of-salvation.html

 

[Mr_David]

Hi Everyone!

This looks like a great subject. I didn't read through every post completely, but I'd like to toss something around for your consideration.

In order for Sunday laws to come into being agian, there will have to be some major events happening. It just doesn't look today like that sort of thing (Sunday Law and compulsary worship on Sunday) would happen.

What about this? What if the world starts coming un-glued? Like global economic collapse, sky rocketing oil prices, war in the middle east with parts of the old soviet union teaming-up with Iran to attack europe. Major earthquakes and a tsunami that wipes out half of the US east coast?

What if the religious right in the US says, "Hey, there is a God and He's very angry!"? Isn't it written in scripture that in the end everone will be looking for the word but won't find it? They'll scratch their heads looking for a way to appease this obviously angry God, and what will they come-up with? That's it, we'll worship on Sunday! No-one has been observing the "Holy Lords-day" and that's why God is mad!! The US is generally run by the religious right now, and their control will increase for obvious reasons.

Then the US will use it's military and economic power to try and get the rest of the world to comply. Isreal will tell the US to drop-dead, having always observed the true sabbath. It's not about just observing the true, but rejecting the false. If you accept both sabbaths, the true and the false, who do you serve?

The US will withdraw it's support for Israel, then armageddon.

So, maybe that's how this will all happen??

 

[OntheDL]

Hi Everyone!

This looks like a great subject. I didn't read through every post completely, but I'd like to toss something around for your consideration.

In order for Sunday laws to come into being agian, there will have to be some major events happening. It just doesn't look today like that sort of thing (Sunday Law and compulsary worship on Sunday) would happen.

What about this? What if the world starts coming un-glued? Like global economic collapse, sky rocketing oil prices, war in the middle east with parts of the old soviet union teaming-up with Iran to attack europe. Major earthquakes and a tsunami that wipes out half of the US east coast?

What if the religious right in the US says, "Hey, there is a God and He's very angry!"? Isn't it written in scripture that in the end everone will be looking for the word but won't find it? They'll scratch their heads looking for a way to appease this obviously angry God, and what will they come-up with? That's it, we'll worship on Sunday! No-one has been observing the "Holy Lords-day" and that's why God is mad!! The US is generally run by the religious right now, and their control will increase for obvious reasons.

Then the US will use it's military and economic power to try and get the rest of the world to comply. Isreal will tell the US to drop-dead, having always observed the true sabbath. It's not about just observing the true, but rejecting the false. If you accept both sabbaths, the true and the false, who do you serve?

The US will withdraw it's support for Israel, then armageddon.

So, maybe that's how this will all happen??

I agree on most of what you said.

However the war of Armageddon is not the war where the nations of the world attack Israel. That's the futurist' interpretation.

 

[Kyran]

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the frist beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell onthe earth, that they should make an image to the best, which had the wound by a sowrd, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three-score and six.

The only way something like this is likely to happen is if some major event precedes it. If a person or group or people start performing miracles infront of large groups wouldn't the many think that they were from God?

 

[Haggai]

First of all, besides the abundance of literal evidence, if God, through Ellen White, tells me there is going to be Sunday laws passed, I will beleive that they will happen no matter how impossible it may seem, second of all I will address how Sunday laws will come about.

As OntheDL, they have already implemented small laws in tenessee, nj, and other states forbidding work on the Sunday, and people have been fined and cited. The Blair bill was also pushed and supported by the Lord's Day Alliance who is also pushing for a national rest day. There is also a new movementout called the 10 Commandments Day comission, this day will be held yearly on the first Sunday of every May, (Hmm sunday...) And it is being supported by the most well-known christian evangelists today. (website: http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/)

Second of all, the government was responsible for 9-11 and it was used to scare the people into accepting their "anti-terror" laws. And soon after we got the Patriot Act passed and now many federal agencies can (without warrant) listen to your phone calls, check your email, read your mail, search your house, etc, all in the name of protecting America from terror. I wonder why they've never been able to find that tricky Osama Bin Laden... As for Israel it is slowly but surely being done away with. It recently gave up the Gaza strip and Palestine is now under control of an anti-Israel group.

YEars ago when they established the federal bank, they took us off the gold-standard, in which each dollar bill was backed by some amount of gold, and gave it real value, now its worth something because the government says so. We're also over 7 trillion dollars in debt to the federal bank. Kennedy wanted to put us back on the gold-standard and abolish the federal bank and 3 days before he was to sign the bills to do so, he was assassinated.
The Pope has pushed for Sunday observance I saw it on television in fact.
Bush has been and is in good contact with both popes even though he isn't catholic. Bush is also cousins to Senator John Kerry and they are both members of the Skull and Bones, a secret society with no windows held at Yale university.

All this and more at www.infowars.com (non-religious)

 

[StormyOne]

nothing like a good conspiracy theory or two to get the troops nervous and upset.....

The problem with this approach is obvious, where is your focus? On Christ who promised to be with the believer even until the end of the earth or is it on all the possible end-time scenarios?

Who cares about sunday laws, or anything else IF you are focused on Christ....

 

[Cliff2]

First of all, besides the abundance of literal evidence, if God, through Ellen White, tells me there is going to be Sunday laws passed, I will beleive that they will happen no matter how impossible it may seem, second of all I will address how Sunday laws will come about.

As OntheDL, they have already implemented small laws in tenessee, nj, and other states forbidding work on the Sunday, and people have been fined and cited. The Blair bill was also pushed and supported by the Lord's Day Alliance who is also pushing for a national rest day. There is also a new movementout called the 10 Commandments Day comission, this day will be held yearly on the first Sunday of every May, (Hmm sunday...) And it is being supported by the most well-known christian evangelists today. (website: http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/)

Second of all, the government was responsible for 9-11 and it was used to scare the people into accepting their "anti-terror" laws. And soon after we got the Patriot Act passed and now many federal agencies can (without warrant) listen to your phone calls, check your email, read your mail, search your house, etc, all in the name of protecting America from terror. I wonder why they've never been able to find that tricky Osama Bin Laden... As for Israel it is slowly but surely being done away with. It recently gave up the Gaza strip and Palestine is now under control of an anti-Israel group.

YEars ago when they established the federal bank, they took us off the gold-standard, in which each dollar bill was backed by some amount of gold, and gave it real value, now its worth something because the government says so. We're also over 7 trillion dollars in debt to the federal bank. Kennedy wanted to put us back on the gold-standard and abolish the federal bank and 3 days before he was to sign the bills to do so, he was assassinated.
The Pope has pushed for Sunday observance I saw it on television in fact.
Bush has been and is in good contact with both popes even though he isn't catholic. Bush is also cousins to Senator John Kerry and they are both members of the Skull and Bones, a secret society with no windows held at Yale university.

All this and more at www.infowars.com (non-religious)

For the Sunday Laws to come in as we have preached for the last 150 plus years then there is going to have to be a major crisis take place.

Whether that is economic/political or whatever it is going to have to be very major.

Now look back in history and see just how quick things move when they are at breaking point.

The Berlin Wall went up in four hours one night. At least the barb wire did.

Then over night it came down just as quick.

Do not be at all fooled by what is happening in the world today.

I believe the Sunday Laws will come and will come when we least expect them to come about.

The Bible indicates that and the SOP supports that as well.

 

[OntheDL]

nothing like a good conspiracy theory or two to get the troops nervous and upset.....

The problem with this approach is obvious, where is your focus? On Christ who promised to be with the believer even until the end of the earth or is it on all the possible end-time scenarios?

Who cares about sunday laws, or anything else IF you are focused on Christ....

The spirit of prophecy tells us the 3rd angel's message is the loud cry that exposes the sins of Babylon. The woman has made the kings of the world drunk of the wine of her fornication. We must proclaim this message. God's children will come out of Babylon due to the success of the proclaimation of the 3rd angel's message. That's work God calls us to do.

 

[Cliff2]

The spirit of prophecy tells us the 3rd angel's message is the loud cry that exposes the sins of Babylon. The woman has made the kings of the world drunk of the wine of her fornication. We must proclaim this message. God's children will come out of Babylon due to the success of the proclaimation of the 3rd angel's message. That's work God calls us to do.

Then other parts of Revelation tell us that those who do not worship the beast will be killed.

I think the Sunday Laws will come and will be real.

How it will all take place and when, I do not know. But one thing we do know and that is that it will happen.

 

[Haggai]

nothing like a good conspiracy theory or two to get the troops nervous and upset.....

The problem with this approach is obvious, where is your focus? On Christ who promised to be with the believer even until the end of the earth or is it on all the possible end-time scenarios?

Who cares about sunday laws, or anything else IF you are focused on Christ....

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)


"3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

You must be aware of what is going on around you. Yes you must focus on Christ, but you must be "you must remember that you are to be as wise as a serpent, as harmless as a dove." {RH, April 26, 1892 par. 4}

When you refuse to believe in conspiracies, and that nothing is wrong, you are setting yourself up to be deceived. The Pharisees conspired against Christ, to kill him, and did so illegally. The Bible says 1 Peter 5:8
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

Many people today, despite Ellen White's teachings and what the prophecies of the Bible say, believe that the government is their friend, and there cannot possibly be a conspiratory against them. Perhaps in the end, when they are faced with the choice to either obey God and uphold His memorial of creation, the Sabbath, or do uphold and worship on the Sunday, or be fined, imprisoned, or killed, they will choose the easy way. You must be close with Christ, for He is your strength in perilous times, and He is your armour in the midst of war.