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In the US prodedure, the subject is not stood on end with head almost touching the floor and feet in the air. Also the water is not poured in large quantities and is done in a much more controlled manner, under Doctor supervision.In what way?
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In the US prodedure, the subject is not stood on end with head almost touching the floor and feet in the air. Also the water is not poured in large quantities and is done in a much more controlled manner, under Doctor supervision.
For people here who feel waterboarding is not torture, what techniques do you think constitute torture? What about them qualifies them as torture? What are the material differences between the torture techniques and waterboarding?
The United States Code of Law, specifically Title I, Chapter 113C, section 2340, defines torture as the following:
(1) torture means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) severe mental pain or suffering means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality.
The waterboarding technique employed by the US does not meet any of that criteria. Ripping a subject's toenail off with a pair of pliers without the use of anesthetic would be torture. Believe me ,I know.
You don't think waterboarding falls under (D): "Procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality." It's done to simulate drowning. It disrupts your senses such that you sense that you are drowning when you are not. I think it falls under this definition.
I disagree. The senses and personality are not disrupted enough to have any lasting effect.
I disagree. The senses and personality are not disrupted enough to have any lasting effect.
Are there any studies that show this? Or is it just your personal opinion?
I'm actually asking. I really don't know. If there are studies, I'd be curious to see them and what they found, if anything, about the lasting effects of waterboarding.
If the studies have already been posted in this thread, just direct me to them.
In the US prodedure, the subject is not stood on end with head almost touching the floor and feet in the air. Also the water is not poured in large quantities and is done in a much more controlled manner, under Doctor supervision.
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality.
I disagree. The senses and personality are not disrupted enough to have any lasting effect.
**********************************************************Just two weeks ago Sean Hannity said in a discussion/debate with Charles Grogin that he would be willingly waterboarded for charity. What are your thoughts? Think he'll do it?
Hannity Offers To Be Waterboarded For Charity (By Charles Grodin!)
Still, it might make him think about how it feels when there are no friends present. It worked for Hitchens, after all.**********************************************************
There is a huge difference between submitting to "torture" for charity and experiencing the real thing.
At worst, Hannity gets to experience a few moments of personal "discomfort" - in the full knowledge that he is among friends and will be going home to the security of his home, his family and a nice warm bed.
I disagree. The senses and personality are not disrupted enough to have any lasting effect.
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