Will near death experience accounts cause Christianity to find common ground with other religions?

Samaritan Woman said:

Near death experiences are often debunked, as far as I know.

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   Yes
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   No
   11 vote(s)
   44.0%
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   I am not sure but I am looking into this.
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TheOldWays said:

if anything, NDE's sound a lot like mushroom trips. So i don't put much stock in them. When your brain is deprived of oxygen, things can get a little weird.

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TheOldWays said:

if anything, NDE's sound a lot like mushroom trips. So i don't put much stock in them. When your brain is deprived of oxygen, things can get a little weird.

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b. His Guided Tour of the Earthbound Realm with Jesus

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie's tour of the Earthbound Realm: Then Jesus begins to take Ritchie on a journey through various realms of the afterlife. They fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. They witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to grab a cigarette from the workers who were oblivious to her presence. This woman had died severely addicted to cigarettes and was now cut off from the one thing she desperately desired most.



Ritchie realizes how the spirits in these realms immediately know the thoughts of other spirits around them. This is the reason they tend to group together with other spirits. It is too threatening to be around others who knew and disagreed with their thoughts.



Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."



They then traveled to a bar somewhere on Earth which was filled with sailors drinking heavily. Spirits surrounded the sailors as they tried desperately, and in vain, to grasp the shot glasses to get a drink. Other spirits tried to control the sailors' alcoholic behavior. Ritchie learns these are the spirits of people who died still having a severe alcoholic addiction which went beyond the physical. He is bewildered as he observes one of the sailors passing out causing the sailor's protective aura surrounding him to crack open. When it does, it allows a spirit to scramble into the sailor's unconscious body. This scene was repeated over and over.

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Robban said:

I am not familiar with the concept.
Just the "Near death experience" makes me wonder what they mean.

What is dead is dead,
what is alive is alive.

Sounds more like a halfway house.

But ascending in the "spirit"is possible.

But would hardly call it neardeath.

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awitch said:

I don't buy stock in NDEs and I'm sure it's just confirmation bias for those who do.

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"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. Jesus said to me, "These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."

I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart. The anguish that Jesus was suffering at the slaughter of his people was too much for me to bear and I begged that we leave this place. I will never forget this: his anguish at this horror and what it represents. This was one of the low points in human history."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events." (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)

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AskTheFamily said:

I don't believe so. I had a lot to write about this. But I will keep it short: no, especially since greater proofs and clear evidence doesn't unite humans, nor do people leave their ways due to convincing evidence. This is proven in the Sunni-Shia issue for example where the proofs are plenty one way and all conjecture the other way, yet conjecture wins.

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Emanuel could hear the conversation of people in the room where his body was. They were saying, "Oh, the saved man has died!"

Jesus took Emanuel back to heaven and showed him a beautiful city. Emanuel said this was a very beautiful city with houses he has never seen anywhere in the world. There was a lake there and he was told he could not go across it.



He was surprised to see, across the lake, some of his friends who had died in Rwanda including a Muslim. Emanuel was surprised he did not see some devout Christians with whom he had been serving God with. He asked Christ how a Muslim could be in heaven. Jesus told him that as this Muslim was dying, he called upon the name of Jesus, and Jesus saved him from hell. Then Emanuel asked him why a certain devout Christian lady who had served God with him in Rwanda was not in heaven. Jesus replied it was because of her refusal to forgive those who had refused to visit her in the hospital when she was sick. Emanuel mentioned another name and Jesus told him that the reason that person was not in heaven was that he stole money which Christians had contributed to assist the sick.

Emanuel then saw a very brilliant light across the lake. Jesus told Emanuel he could not approach the throne of God since his time to leave the Earth had not yet come.

Emanuel was then shown hell which he said was very filthy. Those in hell are made to work like slaves all the time.

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awitch said:

Chemical, neurological, and physiological changes in the brain when under extreme stress.

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The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.



The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.



And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.



There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.



What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.



People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.



Animals lived with people, in harmony.

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Robban said:

I am uncurable believer in reincarnation of the soul,
which would mean being sent down again if I have missed any, but the greatest is giving charity, because it is the only one that involves the whole of ones being.

Preparing for bed, waking up, preparing mentally for work, going off to work,working hard to give the employer value for miney, coming back from work and all the rest of it, making dinner etc.
No need to ramble here what making a living is about.

Then donating 10-20% plus any help someone may require.

So charity is a get out of jail card.

As an aside I had a visit or if I was lifted, it was over in a short time.

In the middle of the Indian ocean, of all places, in the middle
of the night, alone as high up you can get, on the what is called,"Monkey island".

I was shown a book and books but they were taken away before I had a chance to read anything.

I did not tell anyone, they would have thought I had gone nuts.

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Robban said:

Ezekiel 18 crystal clear.

Ezekiel 18:20

Fantastic chapter it came with healing under it,s wings.

(concerning John 9:2)

not exact the same but, did not his disciples not know?

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