Will I go to hell if I convert to another religion?

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2004

Bonhoffer said:
As great as the Catholic church are they are not infallible whereas Gods word (the Bible) is. Therefore if Catholic teaching conflicts with the Bible then the Catholic Church is wrong.
Good deeds are important, but not for salvation.

That's what you think. If you were a true Christian, you would know better

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
So you don't think I'm a 'true' Christian?

I cant say for sure. Only God knows your heart. But from what you have been saying in your posts you don't sound like somebody whos been saved.

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2004

Bonhoffer said:
I cant say for sure. Only God knows your heart. But from what you have been saying in your posts you don't sound like somebody whos been saved.

Oh? What gave it away?

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
That's what you think. If you were a true Christian, you would know better

How does beleiving in the Bible make me not a true Christian?
You really confuse me sometimes.

What is more Christian; to beleive God or people men?

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
Source?

I dont have time to search for the book, chapter and verse right now. But these too verses ARe in the Bible somewhere.

"all sins will be forigven except blaspmey of the Holy Spirit"

"and He will punish those who do not know God"

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
"Jesus is the only way" is not the same as "only people who believe Jesus was the Son of God go to heaven".

Erm yes it is !! If you were right then Christianity would not make any sense.

The Bible also states (somewhere) "there is no other name in which men can be saved other than that of Jesus Christ"

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2004

Bonhoffer said:
How does beleiving in the Bible make me not a true Christian?
You really confuse me sometimes.

What is more Christian; to beleive God or people men?

You sound like a Muslim! The bible was written by men. Just as you believe God protects the bible, so do Catholics believe God protects the Church.

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2004

Bonhoffer said:
I dont have time to search for the book, chapter and verse right now. But these too verses ARe in the Bible somewhere.

"all sins will be forigven except blaspmey of the Holy Spirit"

"and He will punish those who do not know God"

Holy Spirit, not against Jesus, I believe those were mentioned as forgivable.

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
Oh? What gave it away?

Are you being serious ? Almost every single thing you have said in this thread is not typical of what someone who was born-again would say.
Ask Tugowar etc...
I'm not saying this to be mean but practically every post you have made contradicts the Bible.

i.e You dont think Jesus is the only way into heaven
AND you seem to doubt the existance of God
AND you think that a man made church has authority over the Bible
AND you think that a born-again beleiver can forget the reality of Jesus.

the list of heresies is endless !!
And I'm not being judgemental for calling you heretical because "heresy means going against Biblical truth" and it is a fact that you have done this.

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2004

Bonhoffer said:
Are you being serious ? Almost every single thing you have said in this thread is not typical of what someone who was born-again would say.

By 'born again' you mean fundy, right?

Ask Tugowar etc...
I'm not saying this to be mean but practically every post you have made contradicts the Bible.

No, it disagrees with your interpretation of the bible.

i.e You dont think Jesus is the only way into heaven

I didn't say that, I said I don't think being a CHRISTIAN is the only way.

AND you seem to doubt the existance of God

Everyone has doubts.

AND you think that a man made church has authority over the Bible

So do one billion other people.

AND you think that a born-again beleiver can forget the reality of Jesus.

Yep.

the list of heresies is endless !!
And I'm not being judgemental for calling you heretical because "heresy means going against Biblical truth" and it is a fact that you have done this.

I'm a heretic? Gee, thanks.

Matrona · Apr 13, 2004

Just look on a search engine for the phrase "Turkish yoke".

http://www.roca.org/OA/23/23h.htm

Here's one story in particular:

http://www.oca.org/pages/orth_chri/Feasts-and-Saints/October/Oct-13.html#chrysa

I think that will tell you all you need to know from me or anyone else on the matter.

"What will it profit a man, if he wins the whole world and loses his soul? What can a man give in exchange for his soul?"

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
You sound like a Muslim! The bible was written by men. Just as you believe God protects the bible, so do Catholics believe God protects the Church.

I sound like a Christian more like.

Look "all scripture is God breathed". The Bible clearly states that the Bible is divinely inspired. If the Bible isnt completly true then why should any of it be true?
If you dont beleive the Bible when it says that 'Jesus is the only way' then why should you beleive that Jesus rose from the dead or even existed at all?

If the Bible is wrong then why should we beleive that Heaven even exists? The only place we hear about heaven from is the Bible.

Think about it. If you were God and you wanted to transmit a message to the human race then would you give them a book which was faulty?
To say the Bible is wrong is to call God a liar.

The whole Christian faith is based on the Bible. If you take away the Bible then Christianity wouldnt exist.

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
Holy Spirit, not against Jesus, I believe those were mentioned as forgivable.

Rejection of Jesus IS rejection of the Holy Spirit; ask any theologan.

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
By 'born again' you mean fundy, right?

No. I'm a liberal politically. If born-again meant fundy then only fundys are going to heaven because Jesus says "you must be born-again".

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2004

Matrona said:
Just look on a search engine for the phrase "Turkish yoke".

http://www.roca.org/OA/23/23h.htm

Here's one story in particular:

http://www.oca.org/pages/orth_chri/Feasts-and-Saints/October/Oct-13.html#chrysa

I think that will tell you all you need to know from me or anyone else on the matter.

"What will it profit a man, if he wins the whole world and loses his soul? What can a man give in exchange for his soul?"

Yes, and Christians did simlar acts of violence to Muslims, pagans and Jews.

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
I'm a heretic? Gee, thanks.

Well 'yes'!! Its not an insult, its a fact!!

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
I didn't say that, I said I don't think being a CHRISTIAN is the only way.

But isnt the definition of a Christian someone who beleives that Jesus is their Saviour?

stray bullet · Apr 13, 2004

Bonhoffer said:
I sound like a Christian more like.

Look "all scripture is God breathed". The Bible clearly states that the Bible is divinely inspired. If the Bible isnt completly true then why should any of it be true?
If you dont beleive the Bible when it says that 'Jesus is the only way' then why should you beleive that Jesus rose from the dead or even existed at all?

I DO THINK THAT, I just don't take your interpretation that 'only those that know of Jesus go to Heaven'.

If the Bible is wrong then why should we beleive that Heaven even exists? The only place we hear about heaven from is the Bible.

and tradition, our hearts, our dreams.

[quoe]Think about it. If you were God and you wanted to transmit a message to the human race then would you give them a book which was faulty?[/quote]

You sound like a Muslims again.

To say the Bible is wrong is to call God a liar.

The whole Christian faith is based on the Bible. If you take away the Bible then Christianity wouldnt exist.

Where on Earth am I dismissing the bible? Not everyone takes the same interpretating YOU do, that doesn't mean they are wrong or heretics.

Crusadar · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said: How is it rejecting if you leave your heart open for it and prepare yourself to accept the fact that you are wrong? It is believing one thing is more likely than another... not rejecting.

Christ demands that we put all our trust in Him if we are to know the Truth, so if we believe in who He is, what He can do, and has done for you then how can we be wrong? You have to keep in mind that there cannot be many truths, only one. Since Jesus claims to be truth exclusive and proved that He was God not only through what was revealed in scripture but many of His followers - there is no doubt in my mind that there is any other way besides Christ. Remember that scripture does tell us that one cannot serve to masters and remain faithful to only one.

I believe the Catholic Church disagrees with you... that good deeds done onto others will be accepted by Jesus as done onto Him.

Again what the Catholic Church or any denomination says does not necessarily reflect what scripture says. Good deeds are only good and acceptable unto God after we have acknowledged that Christ is our Lord and Savior and letting Him rule over our lives. It is only then will God see and recognize our works however meager they may be and reward us. Where salvation is a free gift, there will be more that God will give us, but only after Christ rules our heart will it matter.

One billion people disagree. Even Christians disagree on the exact nature of God.

Of course people disagree all the time, that is why there is a Bible. For how do we know anything is true if we do not have an absolute truth to compare other truths with? The only way we can know the

Bonhoffer · Apr 13, 2004

stray bullet said:
Everyone has doubts.

I might have doubts about whether God is good or still active in my life, but someone who is born-again cannot have doubts that God is real because they have met God. When someone is born again the Holy Spirit enters them and will dwell within for eternity.

If you met the Pope how could you ever doubt if you met him. The same with God. If you have met God then you cant doubt or deny that you have met Him.

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