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This thread seems to have steered into the choppy waters of general apologetics, it is meant to be about the oxymoronically named creation science not prophecy and whether one can date the Catholic Church to the 1st century or whatever.
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So where did you explain how God is literal rock and Christ is literal loaf of bread? Link please.
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Lol. I'm glad I'm not the only one to observe this.Again strawman. you are like a walking talking misrepresentation machine.
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Lol. I'm glad I'm not the only one to observe this.
Ooops nothing. It's a relatively straight forward process to look at history and see which "prophesies" came true, and which did not, or have not to date.
You're still not helping your case from my vantage point.
The fact that YEC doesn't predict anything useful about what we observe via physics doesn't bode well for a 'literal" interpretation of the Bible.
This thread seems to have steered into the choppy waters of general apologetics, it is meant to be about the oxymoronically named creation science not prophecy and whether one can date the Catholic Church to the 1st century or whatever.
Ditto. Misrepresentations and strawmen are additional reasons for why I don't want to swap any more posts in that direction. You have a lot more patience than I have.Ditto my friend
Hovind is making it very clear that he is NOT going to stop doing what he is doing. They tried to put him in jail to silence him and that does not seem to have worked. He has more zeal then ever before. Peter said to: "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake". Peter was beaten and thrown into prison plenty of times, yet his advice is to try and work with the Government officials. Hovind did not want to do that. So he brought some of this on himself. That is ok, he will receive a reward for what he does. But it is not required at this point in time. It is not a condition of anything. For me my reasonable duty is enough, I do not feel a need to go above and beyond that.I tend to agree. Most YEC are very adamant and sincere about their beliefs which is why it's rare to see them change their views. That doesn't make them right however and frankly some of his claims are simply scientifically irrational.
Ooops everything. Another one of your theories is toast. Its already been established you won't admit you were wrong without condition when you are actually are wrong.
So your admission is neither needed not expected.
According to you a cue that a passage is not to be taken literal is that the writer could not have witnessed the event he is talking about.
none of the prophets could be present in the future therefore according to your theory they should all be metaphorical only in many cases the are clearly not having literally come to pass - your theory as toasted as a piece of bread in a turned on toaster set on high in the down position for an hour.
The rest is just more nonsense. The NT teaches us that the first century believers had expected a messiah so they knew it was literal without reference to lookin at "history" to see which one comes through. Double toast
I thought we established w ehave different opinions so why in the world do I care about your vantage point?
The fact that practically every science was established by people who held creationist views rebuts your nonsense claim.
They almost all entered and established their scientific disciplines with the prediction and expectation that logical order would be found in the universe because of an intelligent God creating it.
the claim therefore that Creationism has made no predictions that came true is just babbling dogma recited and regurgitated by the faithful Darwinian masses that ignore or try to rewrite the history of science
P.S. I'd be careful relating this the way you did to your children. When they see Daddy saying that a literal interpretation doesn't bode well based on physics they just might get the (right) idea that the only reason Daddy is begging for a metaphorically meaning to Genesis is because Genesis was wrong and Daddy is trying to cover it up.
Hovind is making it very clear that he is NOT going to stop doing what he is doing. They tried to put him in jail to silence him and that does not seem to have worked.
Hovind is making it very clear that he is NOT going to stop doing what he is doing. They tried to put him in jail to silence him and that does not seem to have worked. He has more zeal then ever before. Peter said to: "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake". Peter was beaten and thrown into prison plenty of times, yet his advice is to try and work with the Government officials. Hovind did not want to do that. So he brought some of this on himself. That is ok, he will receive a reward for what he does. But it is not required at this point in time. It is not a condition of anything. For me my reasonable duty is enough, I do not feel a need to go above and beyond that.
Ditto. Misrepresentations and strawmen are additional reasons for why I don't want to swap any more posts in that direction. You have a lot more patience than I have.
Ditto.
What an amazingly hypocritical comment
The irony meter just broke fell through the floor and was reported to have resurfaced in China
What *young earth* prediction enjoys anything like a successful prediction? You're just making this up as you go at this point. Again, I don't have any issue with a "creationist" viewpoint, just the *young earth* variety.
Your martyr's complex is showing. He was put in jail because a jury found him guilty of offences (plural) relating to tax.
Most all early scientist that founded the various science were literal genesis one believers.
Go do some research for once.
They had an expectation and predictions of logical order existing in the universe at levels that was not fully known at the time and they were proven right in those expectations. too bad so sad for your premise. Read some history science and umm.......try taking a book literally for once to break the monotony.
Why can't you answer those two simple questions if you're being open and honest?
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