Wikileaks and Julian Assange

[Hans Talhoffer]

I'm Crazyhorse 18, you're a civilian, and the report missile has been launched.

Whats a crazy horse 18?

 

[Chris81]

Unarmed civilians shouldn't threaten attack helicopters and then complain when they are shot at.

That's right the very fact that a civilian moves makes them a potential target to be shot at. If an attack helicopter flies near you the best possible thing that you can do is lay perfectly flat face down on the ground. In any other circumstances a civilian looks suspicious and US soldiers have every right to shoot them without any hesitation.

 

[Hans Talhoffer]

That's right the very fact that a civilian moves makes them a potential target to be shot at. If an attack helicopter flies near you the best possible thing that you can do is lay perfectly flat face down on the ground. In any other circumstances a civilian looks suspicious and US soldiers have every right to shoot them without any hesitation.

Finaly, someone sensible!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Except that the wikileaks video, in addition to opening itself up for quote mining, out of context propaganda purposes, also makes individual soldiers potential targets, as well as providing military inteligence and insight into our military doctrine and operating procedures.

The GZ mosque fiasco also opens itself to quote-mining and out-of-context propaganda, which can used for recruitment of radicals. And yet you don't consider the GZ mosque protestors as 'traitors to America' worthy of the penalty it merits? Much of what you post reeks of double-standards.

 

[Hans Talhoffer]

The GZ mosque fiasco also opens itself to quote-mining and out-of-context propaganda, which can used for recruitment of radicals. And yet you don't consider the GZ mosque protestors as 'traitors to America' worthy of the penalty it merits? Much of what you post reeks of double-standards.

No double standard at all. Stealing secrets and providing them to foreign powers is treason. The Ground Zero mosque protesters have done nothe=ing remotely like that.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No double standard at all. Stealing secrets and providing them to foreign powers is treason. The Ground Zero mosque protesters have done nothe=ing remotely like that.

Of course there is a huge double-standard on your part. Firstly, you suggested that a non-American could be considered guilty of 'treason' to the US and tried under US law for the crime, but that an American doing exactly the same thing with French secrets shouldn't be tried for 'treason' by the French because he is not subject to French law. Secondly, you claimed that the Wikileaks video could be used for propaganda purposes to recruit terrorists, and that it was therefore wrong for Wikileaks to publish it. However, even though the whole GZ mosque controversy could also be used for the same purposes, you don't reach the same conclusion, even though internal consistency would compel you to do so. Double-standards.

 

[Hans Talhoffer]

Of course there is a huge double-standard on your part. Firstly, you suggested that a non-American could be considered guilty of 'treason' to the US and tried under US law for the crime, but that an American doing exactly the same thing with French secrets shouldn't be tried for 'treason' by the French because he is not subject to French law. Secondly, you claimed that the Wikileaks video could be used for propaganda purposes to recruit terrorists, and that it was therefore wrong for Wikileaks to publish it. However, even though the whole GZ mosque controversy could also be used for the same purposes, you don't reach the same conclusion, even though internal consistency would compel you to do so. Double-standards.

Video of the GZ mosque was not a classified military document. Chalk and cheese.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Video of the GZ mosque was not a classified military document. Chalk and cheese.

But both can be twisted and used for terrorist recruitment purposes. And yet you treat one group of people differently to others.

 

[Hans Talhoffer]

But both can be twisted and used for terrorist recruitment purposes. And yet you treat one group of people differently to others.

We're talking about the person who posted the video on the web, not the people in them.

 

[Yoder777]

I'd like to participate in this thread, but Hans Talhoffer's arguments are very depressing to me. If we agree with the founding fathers that it's the duty of a patriot to protect his country from its government, then we should support a group like Wikileaks that tries to tell the truth about the wrong things our government does.

 

[Hans Talhoffer]

I'd like to participate in this thread, but Hans Talhoffer's arguments are very depressing to me. If we agree with the founding fathers that it's the duty of a patriot to protect his country from its government, then we should support a group like Wikileaks that tries to tell the truth about the wrong things our government does.

LOL Austrians can't be patriots!

 

[Suomipoika]

LOL Austrians can't be patriots!

Why can't Austrians be patriots in Austria?

 

[Hans Talhoffer]

Why can't Austrians be patriots in Austria?

Because we're talking about America. Do keep up.

 

[Suomipoika]

Because we're talking about America. Do keep up.

Then shouldn't you have worded a bit differently: "LOL Austrians can't be American patriots!", instead of "LOL Austrians can't be patriots!"?

And weren't you talking about Australians, not Austrians, anyway?

Or do I know your mother tongue better than you?

 

[Hans Talhoffer]

Then shouldn't you have worded a bit differently: "LOL Austrians can't be American patriots!", instead of "LOL !Austrians can't be patriots!"?

And weren't you talking about Australians, not Austrians, anyway?

Or do I know your mother tongue better than you?

The internet is American, so it was implied.

 

[Suomipoika]

The internet is American, so it was implied.

See this, people?

WOW, AAAAAAWWEESOME

 

[Suomipoika]

Why not try to address the problems revealed and put the ones responsible at trial, or at the very least kick their sorry corrupt hind-sides out of government.

True.

I don't see how certain people can be taken seriously - as far as their integrity goes - as long as they merely attack WikiLeaks, without addressing the corruption revealed at all. No matter how much flag-waving they practice to accompany their verbal assaults. Propaganda is always just propaganda. Illusion of national grandeur is always just illusion of national grandeur.

At moments like these I can say I'm glad to live in a country with one of the very lowest government corruption rates in the world.

 

[Hans Talhoffer]

At moments like these I can say I'm glad to live in a country with one of the very lowest government corruption rates in the world.

Its nice to meet another patriotic American.

 

[Suomipoika]

Its nice to meet another patriotic American.

Whom did you just meet? I thought you and me (a citizen of Finland) were the only ones online in this thread at this time.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I'd like to participate in this thread, but Hans Talhoffer's arguments are very depressing to me. If we agree with the founding fathers that it's the duty of a patriot to protect his country from its government, then we should support a group like Wikileaks that tries to tell the truth about the wrong things our government does.

Hans Talhoffer is a troll.