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JulieB67 · May 9, 2024

Bible Highlighter said:
But Paul was a chosen vessel to bear Christ's name for both the Jews and Gentiles.

Acts 9:15
"But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"

Bible Highlighter said:
In my experience, those who believe in Mid Acts Dispensationalism hold to the view that Paul preached the gospel to the Gentiles and Peter preached a different gospel to the Jews. The above verse demonstrates that Paul preached the gospel to both Jews and Gentiles. As I pointed out in Acts 13:42-49, Paul preached to the Jews and they rejected his gospel message, and so he went to the Gentiles. This proves there weren’t two gospels. There has always been one gospel. It was prophesied about in the Old Covenant until Jesus came. When Jesus arrived in Incarnate form, the gospel was preached, and Paul gave us the details of that gospel more clearly to people (Because people were looking at the gospel message with the gospel event had already happened). Why else would there be 4 gospel accounts? They all demonstrated one thing. The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Well, that is if you believe the gospel accounts.

Exactly! Paul taught on all levels. But it was always the same gospel. I always like these verses-

I Corinthians 9:18 "What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel."

I Corinthians 9:19 "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more."

I Corinthians 9:20 "And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;"

I Corinthians 9:21 "To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law."

Corinthians 9:22 "To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

I Corinthians 9:23 "And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you."

Same gospel but taught on every level so he could reach everyone. From the Jew to the Gentile, to the weak and mature.

And yes Paul shows us certain mysteries for example -"all are changed" at the last trump, etc but that in no way means he's teaching a different gospel. It's still the same.

Guojing · May 9, 2024

JulieB67 said:
Same gospel but taught on every level so he could reach everyone. From the Jew to the Gentile, to the weak and mature.

And yes Paul shows us certain mysteries for example -"all are changed" at the last trump, etc but that in no way means he's teaching a different gospel. It's still the same.

You share the same views as him about Acts 21:18-25, that James, the elders, and Paul made a mistake there?

Guojing · May 9, 2024

JulieB67 said:
I Corinthians 9:18 "What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel."

So by your previous reasoning,

If I preach a gospel about Christ
And another preach a gospel, also about Christ.

It must necessarily be true that we are both preaching the same gospel?

bbbbbbb · May 9, 2024

Guojing said:
So by your previous reasoning,

If I preach a gospel about Christ
And another preach a gospel, also about Christ.

It must necessarily be true that we are both preaching the same gospel?

As we all know, simply preaching a sermon about someone named "Christ" is hardly the gospel. For example, the "Christ" of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (aka Mormons) is hardly the "Christ" of orthodox Christianity.

Guojing · May 10, 2024

bbbbbbb said:
As we all know, simply preaching a sermon about someone named "Christ" is hardly the gospel. For example, the "Christ" of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (aka Mormons) is hardly the "Christ" of orthodox Christianity.

I was referring to our exchange here Wicked Lose your salvation Documentary on YouTube promoting a works based salvation

JulieB67 · May 16, 2024

Guojing said:
So by your previous reasoning,

If I preach a gospel about Christ
And another preach a gospel, also about Christ.

It must necessarily be true that we are both preaching the same gospel?

Let me ask you a question, was Peter preaching a different gospel to Cornelius, Phillip to the Ethiopian?

Guojing · May 16, 2024

JulieB67 said:
Let me ask you a question, was Peter preaching a different gospel to Cornelius, Phillip to the Ethiopian?

Yes, it was the gospel of the kingdom, preached since the world began.

I hope you will now also answer my question.

JulieB67 · May 17, 2024

Guojing said:
If I preach a gospel about Christ
And another preach a gospel, also about Christ.

It must necessarily be true that we are both preaching the same gospel?

Yes, it must be the same gospel. God is not the author of confusion. Sure Paul taught certain mysteries (such as all are "changed at the last trump", etc) and gave his own advice at times but the gospel itself is the same. He taught Christ crucified. He taught the gospel of Christ.

Romans 1:9 "For God is my witness, Whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers,"

Romans 1:15 "So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also

I Corinthians 1:5 "That in every thing ye are enriched by Him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;"

I Corinthians 1:6 "Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:"

I Corinthians 1:12 "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, "I am of Paul", and "I am of Apollos"; and "I am of Cephas"; and "I am of Christ"."

Does this sound familiar? It sounds a lot like what you are trying to prove. You clearly believe you are "of Paul".

I Corinthians 1:13 "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"

Again, this sounds a lot like what you are trying to say with the different gospels. You are stating the gospels are divided.

I Corinthians 1:17 "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."

I Corinthians 1:23 "But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;"

I Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for He is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"

Galatians 1:6 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:"

Galatians 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

Galatians 1:9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

Galatians 2:14 "But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

The gospel -same gospel

Philippians 1:5 "For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;"

Philippians 1:27 "Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;"

Colossians 1:5 "For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

Paul taught on every level but it is still the same gospel. His gospel that he is preaching is the gospel of Christ. He states that we are not to say we are of "Paul", etc. Christ is not to be divided which you are trying to do.

I could go on but I'll just end with this verse-

Mark 16:15 "And He said unto them, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"

That includes everyone.

bbbbbbb · May 17, 2024

How many baptisms are there? According to Paul's letter to the Ephesians there is only one baptism. However, we know for a fact that there are at least two baptisms according to the Bible. John baptized and it was another baptism, other than Christian baptism.

Guojing · May 17, 2024

JulieB67 said:
Yes, it must be the same gospel. God is not the author of confusion. Sure Paul taught certain mysteries (such as all are "changed at the last trump", etc) and gave his own advice at times but the gospel itself is the same. He taught Christ crucified. He taught the gospel of Christ.

I see, with such a broad definition of what the gospel means to you, I can understand how you are able to form that doctrine.

Guojing · May 17, 2024

bbbbbbb said:
How many baptisms are there? According to Paul's letter to the Ephesians there is only one baptism. However, we know for a fact that there are at least two baptisms according to the Bible. John baptized and it was another baptism, other than Christian baptism.

Just like the definition of "gospel", if you are unable to rightly divide the word of truth, you will think that Paul is saying there is only ONE baptism for all times, which is actually not what he meant.

bbbbbbb · May 17, 2024

Guojing said:
Just like the definition of "gospel", if you are unable to rightly divide the word of truth, you will think that Paul is saying there is only ONE baptism for all times, which is actually not what he meant.

Quite true.

LoveofTruth · May 19, 2024

Cockcrow said:
This wicked documentary saying "OSAS false" (once saved always saved) teaching a lose your salvation, works salvation false gospel, is out there and listen it is wicked. Nobody in that entire video is saved, every single one is a false teacher who will split hell wide open and is a wicked devil going straight to hell busting hell wide open at lightning speed lowest hell and the saints will rejoice when they are thrown into Lake of fire. Jesus said I give them eternal life they shall never perish John 10:28

The people in this video are going straight to hell when they die, the lowest hell, don't follow them there!

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus died buried rose again shed his precious blood on the cross to pay for our sins. we simply Believe on him for the free gift of eternal life, by grace through faith.

Revelation 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

All liars so if you tell one lie you're damned. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

I've know I've lied before, we have all lied before and we have all done worse than lying let's face it.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Salvation is grace through faith whosoever believeth in Jesus hath eternal life. Jesus paid it all. Amen the good news of the gospel is that Jesus took our sins and died for them.

Will you call on the name of Jesus, ask him to be saved? Say this prayer dear Jesus, I know that I am a sinner and deserve hell, but I believe in you and ask for the free gift of salvation, your word says whosoever believeth, and well, I believeth in you, that you died buried rose again for my sins, I call on your name Lord Jesus and ask to be saved, will you save me? I am only trusting in you Jesus, thank you for saving me, amen.

If you prayed that prayer and meant it in your heart, the bible says you are saved and have eternal life that can never be lost you can trust Jesus Christ for your salvation.

Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

How to go to heaven simply explained, I hope to see you there!:

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved! amen

Believers are not saved by our works it is faith in the work of God that he did on the cross and resurrection and faith that he will save us inwardly and give us life to abide in. We live by faith. When we repent ( change your mind about the way we are going) and believe, then Christ dells in our heart and we are a new creation. If we continue in the faith( not works of the flesh) then we abide in Christ and as we overcome to the end through this faith and abiding we will eternally be in that life.

Jesus Christ is "eternal life" 1 John1 and 1 John 5. So if we have an evil heart of unbelief and lets say we hate our brother in ur heart then we no longer have eternal life abiding in us.

as scripture shows

“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:15 KJV)

That "whosoever" includes anyone (yes even us if we harden our hearts and have an evil heart of unbelief through the deceitfulness of sin

and jesus Christ is that eternal life ( so if he abides in us we are in that eternal life) if we do not continue to abide in him through faith then we are not in that eternal life.

“(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us” (1 John 1"2 KJV)

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” ( 1 John 5:20 KJV)

as scripture again says, (by the way everything we say must be in line with scripture. The issue is your interpretation.

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:12-14 KJV)

This verse is spoken to holy brethren in Christ and the writer includes himself.

You assume that eternal life as we are in that life can never not "abide" in us.But scripture shows differently. We are kept by the power of God *this is true) but it is "by faith. And it is called "your faith" by Jesus and our faith.

LoveofTruth · May 19, 2024

bbbbbbb said:
How many baptisms are there? According to Paul's letter to the Ephesians there is only one baptism. However, we know for a fact that there are at least two baptisms according to the Bible. John baptized and it was another baptism, other than Christian baptism.

There at least 7 or more baptisms in scripture. If you include all the diverse washings (baptismós in Greek) of the Ot as well. The saving baptism is into Christ by the Spirit not into water. Water does not save.

there is

1.The baptism unto Moses 1 Cor 10:2

2.The baptism of John unto repentance for the people to do Matthew 3:11

3.The baptism of John in the river Jordan,to fulfill all righteousness and manifest Jesus to Israel Matthew 3:13-15 , John 1:31

4. The Baptism with the Holy Ghost and with fire Matthew 3:11

5. Baptism into Christ at salvation. (the saving one Baptism), 1 Corinthians 12:13, Galatians 3:27, Romans 6:3,4, 1 Peter 3:21

6. Baptism unto suffering Matthew 20:22

7. Baptizing into the name of the father, Son and the Holy Ghost Matthew 28. Into the name or onto the life character authority of that name. Jesus said he manifested the name of the Father on earth to them and kept them in the Fathers name. The name of the Lord is a high tower, the righteous run INTO it and are safe.em

8. All the divers washings the word "washings meaning βαπτισμός baptismós, bap-tis-mos'; from G907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):—baptism, washing.

LoveofTruth · May 19, 2024

Guojing said:
Just like the definition of "gospel", if you are unable to rightly divide the word of truth, you will think that Paul is saying there is only ONE baptism for all times, which is actually not what he meant.

One "saving baptism" and that is not water baptism, but a baptism into Christ by the Spirit. All believer have this 1 Cor 12:13. Galatians 3:27 1 Peter 3;21

bbbbbbb · May 19, 2024

LoveofTruth said:
There at least 7 or more baptisms in scripture. If you include all the diverse washings (baptismós in Greek) of the Ot as well. The saving baptism is into Christ by the Spirit not into water. Water does not save.

there is

1.The baptism unto Moses 1 Cor 10:2

2.The baptism of John unto repentance for the people to do Matthew 3:11

3.The baptism of John in the river Jordan,to fulfill all righteousness and manifest Jesus to Israel Matthew 3:13-15 , John 1:31

4. The Baptism with the Holy Ghost and with fire Matthew 3:11

5. Baptism into Christ at salvation. (the saving one Baptism), 1 Corinthians 12:13, Galatians 3:27, Romans 6:3,4, 1 Peter 3:21

6. Baptism unto suffering Matthew 20:22

7. Baptizing into the name of the father, Son and the Holy Ghost Matthew 28. Into the name or onto the life character authority of that name. Jesus said he manifested the name of the Father on earth to them and kept them in the Fathers name. The name of the Lord is a high tower, the righteous run INTO it and are safe.em

8. All the divers washings the word "washings meaning βαπτισμός baptismós, bap-tis-mos'; from G907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):—baptism, washing.

Thanks! As I said, there are at least two that are commonly known, but you have demonstrated seven.

bbbbbbb · May 19, 2024

LoveofTruth said:
One "saving baptism" and that is not water baptism, but a baptism into Christ by the Spirit. All believer have this 1 Cor 12:13. Galatians 3:27 1 Peter 3;21

Likewise, there are several gospels found in the Bible, but, for believers today, only one.

LoveofTruth · May 19, 2024

bbbbbbb said:
Likewise, there are several gospels found in the Bible, but, for believers today, only one.

We can agree that Paul says "the gospel" and even the gospel (the same gospel) was preached before unto Abraham (in type or shadow as i understand) As we read in hebrews 1 also.

LoveofTruth · May 19, 2024

bbbbbbb said:
Thanks! As I said, there are at least two that are commonly known, but you have demonstrated seven.

God bless

LightLoveHope · May 19, 2024

Guojing said:
When you give a gift to other people, if you list conditions to keeping the gift, is it still a gift?

If your parents give you a car, it does not mean that car will not be taken away because you break the driving rules.
A gift is entry to something, but that is all.

Confusion comes from the term eternal life. If the term means acceptance or rights irrespective of ones response, then
it cannot be taken away, unless the giver chooses to do so. Again there is a concept of irrevocable giving.

God gave a promise to Abraham, yet asked that Jacob be offered up, a condition. And on fulfilling the condition the Lord
responded. Nations that rebelled against God were annihilated, taken from memory. Equally people of Israel were killed
for disobedience, swallowed up by the ground.. The chosen like Moses were rebuked and had their time restricted.

To walk in the way of Jesus is the way of eternal life, the walk of heaven. It is a path His people follow, a way of living and
being with others, in loving relationship. It is continual refreshing and communion. The vine is Jesus's analogy, being alive
in Him, but also being possible to die and cut off.

So the promise of eternal life, is walking in it, and staying in it, because this is heaven come to earth. So many dismiss the
walk as simple and like nothing compared to walking with Jesus on the new earth, while He says the opposite. It is why Judas
was eternally lost and Peter eternally saved. The difference was knowing the walk and walking, not in perfection, but with our
limitations and knowing our willingness to change and grow.
God bless you

Many know the emotional drags on them and struggle without knowledge as to can it be changed and can it be different.
Jesus replies yes, but it takes faith and obedience, openness and honesty, repentance and forgiveness.

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