Why?

[Dave Ellis]

God's love does not trump all of Hiis other attributes.

Read Job.

Well, how is that loving?

 

[QueSi]

Quoting the Bible doesn't prove anything more than if you quoted Captain Kirk.

The sad part is, other people are providing the things you need and want and you aren't giving them credit for it.

You told me to prove it, so I give you the words from Jesus, as I will not and do not need to prove anything to you.

 

[QueSi]

Until he doesn't.

Correct?

 

[QueSi]

Sometimes people do what they're not supposed to do and they don't do what they're supposed to do.
In the US at least it's a stereotype amongst waiters that Sundays are the worst days to work: You get large after church crowds that come in and then don't tip well.

I don't know how things work in Canada, but perhaps you ought to seek other church help? I live in Utah, and I know that the Bishops Warehouse will set people up with help even if they're not LDS. You might look for an LDS church in your vicinity...

Coming from a more pragmatic point of view, yes God helps us. He gives us everything we need in due time. At the same time there is alot to be said in the Bible about working for yourself. Obviously you cannot work, but I can't believe that in Canada all of your threads are tied. Keep seeking and I am certain you will find.
God bless you. Please don't let your misfortunate run ins with your church paint the rest of your brothers and sisters in a negative light.
All my prayers.
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QUESI,

2 Thessalonians 3:10 states that if a man does not work he does not eat.

If you are KNOWINGLY able bodied, and capable of working in any capacity and are not, then you shouldn't be relying on the generosity of others to survive. Each "gift" you get from people who are generous and whose hearts "God" softened is non taxed and it is another Biblical concept to give to Ceasar what is Ceasars.

From one Christian to another stop living off the naivety of other people and start working. NONE, and I mean NONE of your quotes about how God provides negates the fact that there are hundreds of Bible verses extolling a days money well earned through labor.

Yes God provides. My mom is an excellent example of that, but she also works for a living, and allows God to fill in the gaps that her paycheck does not cover. If she doesn't have enough money for groceries and rent she'll pay rent and let God provide the rest. Relying on God is NOT an invitation to be lazy.

Mathew 4:4 states "... "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". Sometimes I go for up to a week or more without eating, even when I have money or meals offered, and I don't feel hungry.

Money is "ceasers", my words and actions are for God. I rarely have, nor want, any money in my pocket. I have no bank account or credit cards. When I spend the money that I rarely have, it is taxed. I help people for food and shelter.

 

[bricklayer]

Well, how is that loving?

God's love, like all of His other attributes, does not change with the creation or conduct of man. God does not love man for what makes us unique; He loves us for what we have in common with Him.
The Creator/creature relationship is as inherently unfair as the potter/clay relationship. If you want to consider that unloving, you may, but God does not consider it unloving that the potter make some items for noble use and some for ignoble from the same lump of clay.

 

[Dave Ellis]

You told me to prove it, so I give you the words from Jesus, as I will not and do not need to prove anything to you.

Actually, you gave me a few words from whoever wrote that particular book.

As for proving stuff to me, of course you don't have to. However, failure to do so justifies my right to call you what you are.... Someone who is more than happy to live off everyone else, and is too lazy to go out and get a job.

Claiming all this stuff comes from god just discredits those you have taken advantage of so far.

 

[QueSi]

Actually, you gave me a few words from whoever wrote that particular book.

As for proving stuff to me, of course you don't have to. However, failure to do so justifies my right to call you what you are.... Someone who is more than happy to live off everyone else, and is too lazy to go out and get a job.

Claiming all this stuff comes from god just discredits those you have taken advantage of so far.

Ok, your opinion is noted.

 

[Dave Ellis]

God's love, like all of His other attributes, does not change with the creation or conduct of man. God does not love man for what makes us unique; He loves us for what we have in common with Him.
The Creator/creature relationship is as inherently unfair as the potter/clay relationship. If you want to consider that unloving, you may, but God does not consider it unloving that the potter make some items for noble use and some for ignoble from the same lump of clay.

First off, we aren't made out of clay. Secondly, if I was an all powerful creator, i would have made everyone healthy and immune from harm. I guess that's the difference between myself and your god though.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Ok, your opinion is noted.

Awesome.

 

[bricklayer]

First off, we aren't made out of clay. Secondly, if I was an all powerful creator, i would have made everyone healthy and immune from harm. I guess that's the difference between myself and your god though.

God made man "very good", but something God cannot do is create something that does not change.

 

[bricklayer]

Why? is a contextual request.
Why questions ask for a common set of presuppositions from which to proceed.
Because any answer to any why-question can be responded to with another why-question,
why questions are actually part in parcel of a why-series of questions.
Why series questions beg a common context;
unfortunately, not everyone recognizes a common context.

 

[Dave Ellis]

God made man "very good", but something God cannot do is create something that does not change.

So you're saying there's something that God can't do? Doesn't that mean he's not all powerful?

 

[bricklayer]

So you're saying there's something that God can't do? Doesn't that mean he's not all powerful?

God can do all that can be done.

God cannot change in His being nor can God create something that does not change in its being.

 

[dogs4thewin]

First off, we aren't made out of clay. Secondly, if I was an all powerful creator, i would have made everyone healthy and immune from harm. I guess that's the difference between myself and your god though.

We are not made of clay, but that is a figure of speech that compares us to clay. As for the second part I have seizures and CP as I have stated in other threads and not only do I believe in miracles, but also that God is BOTH loving and just. The reasin it is how it is is because of the fall.

 

[Dave Ellis]

God can do all that can be done.

God cannot change in His being nor can God create something that does not change in its being.

The laws of physics don't change, does that mean God didn't create them?

 

[Dave Ellis]

We are not made of clay, but that is a figure of speech that compares us to clay. As for the second part I have seizures and CP as I have stated in other threads and not only do I believe in miracles, but also that God is BOTH loving and just. The reasin it is how it is is because of the fall.

But you're ignoring the fact God set up the scenario that lead to the fall.

Also, seeing as Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between Good and Evil prior to the fall, they had no way of knowing what they did was evil. You can refer to the fact that God told them not to eat from the tree, however again, without knowledge of good and evil, they couldn't have known doing something other than what god said was wrong. This was prior to them getting the ability to differentiate.

There's a number of other reasons why the fall and a literal interpretation of creation, and genesis as a whole can not possibly be accurate.

In a modern court of law, they would be found not criminally responsible. Your God however is not as just as our man made code of laws.

 

[bricklayer]

The laws of physics don't change, does that mean God didn't create them?

Physics is the study of physical changes.
Physics are not, to God, laws but the usual ways God does things.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Physics is the study of physical changes.
Physics are not, to God, laws but the usual ways God does things.

Well actually, that's not correct. Within our universe physics works one specific way. If the laws of physics were to change, we could find ourselves in a very different looking or behaving universe.

In short, the laws of physics can not change and this still be considered the universe we live in.

 

[bricklayer]

Well actually, that's not correct. Within our universe physics works one specific way. If the laws of physics were to change, we could find ourselves in a very different looking or behaving universe.

In short, the laws of physics can not change and this still be considered the universe we live in.

Creation is the greatest violation of the "laws" of physics.
Something from nothing is a miracle.
Miracles are violations of the normal ways God does things.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Creation is the greatest violation of the "laws" of physics.
Something from nothing is a miracle.
Miracles are violations of the normal ways God does things.

You should brush up on your physics, something from nothing is not a violation of any laws... In fact our current understanding of quantum physics shows that a universe like ours can and will create itself out of nothing.

As for your god, I assume you have no explanation where he comes from.