Why?

[*Rob*]

Erm just a few things first . . .

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I must have missed that part. Would you mind telling me where the Bible tells us to kill anyone?
Deuteronomy 13:7-11, “if your son or daughter” or “your most intimate friend” even so much as suggests worshipping other Gods, “You must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death. You must stone him.”

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Isn't it a bit arrogant to say all the people, scientists, statemen and founding fathers of our country, are all stupid and only you at 17 know what is true?? It's okay, I was the same at your age, but if you ever really study or have an encounter with God and His Spirit of truth, I hope you will respond positivly towards what is true and NEVER accept lies. The Bible says to prove all things, yet you assume it full of the evil that men commit while trying to usurp the power of God and His words of truth. ANYTHING can be corrupted by man just so that men can wield power over each other. It is Jesus who said He came to set men free of the sin nature and death by giving us the truth.
Well to start with the founding members of your naion were secular, with secular policy. My post was not an arrogant one, there is no evidence that God exists so I don't see why I should pull any punches while religion is responsible for so much misery. Now the reason that I think that what I believe in is true is because of common sense, like I come to the conclusion that 2+2=4.

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Check out the internet, pal, Noah's Ark is real, and archeology and science have been proving the Bible correct for the last 100 years of man's so-called big knowledge. Just look at creation. Stand in the middle of the awesome intelligent design and deny a Creator.
It is only recently that we could say what the Bible says, "All things we see are made of the unseen", and indeed our reality is made up of more of the unseen than the seen. Of course it doesn't count when the Bible speaks of the "circle of the earth" over 2500 years ago.
The original books from the Bible were written by a semitic tribe thousands of years ago . . . to me it's just one of many ideas from that time of people trying to make sense of the world.

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Einstein and his theory of relativity who was a believer in God?
You are mistaken. Einstein said:

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It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
And:

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I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of believer.

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What have you or I done today to relieve those refuges in Darfur? Why do we have ease and comfort while our neighbor goes starving to death overnight. Why don't you do as Jesus said or asked, "Did you feed me when I was hungry", "Did you clothe me when I was naked", "Did you give me shelter even when I was a stranger"? "Did you vist and give me fellowship and friendship when I was sick?" SO WHAT is the evil in that message Jesus gave us as our job to look after in this life we are responsible for? He has made us our brothers keeper yet we would rather party and have a good time without the bother of looking after our neighbors and then turn about and falsely accuse God of our own neglect and blind eye to suffering in the world..
Ya know, God's laws are only two now with the New Covenant - Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, which is only fitting, and to love your neighbor as you love yourself, and that is the basic love we all give in nurturing and feeding our bodies to care for them - not a self-esteem issue.. I'm sure someone starving would rather feed their body long before their ego.

I'm all for the love thy neighbour thing. . . but you make it sound like we need religion to make the world better . . . which to me is just nonsense. I think we have a limited time on earth and we should make the most of it, however this does not require religion.

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i read most of that, the first quote you made about deutronomy is easily answered. And the rest well, ive honestly never heard so much nonsense in my life

 

[Arafat]

The bottom line for me is: no empirical proof = false claim.

 

[Arafat]

But in comparison to Jesus, people like you, Arafat, have nothing to offer us at all.

Absolutely nothing.


That is why.

People like me? Ahh, would I come under "evil atheist" yes?

Like atheists have never offerd humanity anything.

 

[ebia]

The bottom line for me is: no empirical proof = false claim.

when it should be, of course, no empirical proof implies no absolute certainty:

• Almost nothing outside mathematics has proof, most things rely on balance of evidence.
• Lack of evidence is not evidence (let alone proof) that a claim in false.

 

[beth34]

The bottom line for me is: no empirical proof = false claim.

I was just curious, what do you believe? If you died tomorrow, do you think that will be the end of you forever. No soul, no spirit, just a dead body laying there that lived here on earth and now is no more. If you think the bible is all made up and there is no God, where do you think we all came from? The human body itself is so perfectly designed. Don't you think there had to be a designer, or did we just magically appear on earth one day. Would like to hear what you believe. Thanks.

 

[Reformationist]

The bottom line for me is: no empirical proof = false claim.

"Proof" is subjective, as evidenced by the fact that the believer would submit that the ordered existence is "proof" of a divine Creator. That said, emperical evidence is evidence that is dependent on evidence or consequences that are observable by the senses.

So, I would say that the most pertinent question that I can think to ask you is, if not a divine Creator, how do you believe man came to be?

God bless

 

[SolomonVII]

People like me? Ahh, would I come under "evil atheist" yes?

Like atheists have never offerd humanity anything.

No, your post would come under the category of close-minded provocation.
Athiesm or even evil have nothing to do with it.

 

[Zeena]

No, your post would come under the category of close-minded provocation.
Athiesm or even evil have nothing to do with it.

Amen!

Seems to me you have little to nothing to offer in the way of enlightened conversation (which is where mutual ground is attained)..

Without honestly weighing the scales and finding yourself in desperate need, you will never truly find out who you really are!

Isaiah 1:4-8

Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers. And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

 

[peacechild4]

Why do you believe totally unfounded, ridiculous disinformation? Why do they believe in a 2,000 year old contradictory book full of atrocities and hyperbole?

When so much of the said book has been proven (both by common sense and science) to be just nonsense. A book that "borrows" ideas (i.e. resurrection) from just other legends from the middle east region aroud that time. A book that requiers you take Noah's ark literally . . . to kill those who even suggest as to worshipping another God.

Even though there is no evidence that proves God exists whatsoever . . . you believe it, and yet what makes you think that it's the right religion set down by God?

With all the pain and suffering religion has caused, why do you keep it going?

We know the Earth is a hell of a lot older than it states in the Bible . . . why believe the Bible?

You could say you have a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ . . . but anyone with just a passive knowledge of psychology would know the way in which the mind may be simmulated.

If it wern't because of Hell, religion would be gone . . . is that why you believe? Because of Hell?!


Why??

I believe in Christianity because it is truth to me.. When I follow it it makes me a better person.. I love that Jesus becomes real to us.. Takes away our shame and guilt.. gives us love and gives us hope.. Faith in His name brings blessings untold.. His Word the bible... becomes a rock to stand on.. You can do what it says.. and what it says gives you direction and stability.. When you meditate on them.. they come back to you at times You most need them reassuring you of what to do.. or how to act!!

I feel loved even when those around me aren't showing me that love.. Gods Spirit speaks to me through the words of God.. encourages me when I am failing or weak or hurting..

I can look up even if all is bleak.. I have hope when those around me cannot see any...

Christianity.. following Jesus.. is life-changing.. You want more and more and more.. and even if you suffer for it and you hold onto God and don't let go.. you want it even more.. weeird I know.. but that is the power of God in a life..

 

[Bespin]

Dear Arafat:

I refer to your first post in this thread for this response:

Some examples to back up your blind assertions would be good because from what I can gather, all what your post consists of could be bluntly called "conjecture" and nothing more.

What you have to remember is that there are two sides of a coin ... there are two sides to every argument, and you only appear to have heard the anti-Christian side of the coin and are probably not even interested in listening to our side and our arguments openly, in which case this thread is a waste of time and lacks purpose.

 

[PhilosopherD]

Why do you believe totally unfounded, ridiculous disinformation? Why do they believe in a 2,000 year old contradictory book full of atrocities and hyperbole?

When so much of the said book has been proven (both by common sense and science) to be just nonsense. A book that "borrows" ideas (i.e. resurrection) from just other legends from the middle east region aroud that time. A book that requiers you take Noah's ark literally . . . to kill those who even suggest as to worshipping another God.

Even though there is no evidence that proves God exists whatsoever . . . you believe it, and yet what makes you think that it's the right religion set down by God?

With all the pain and suffering religion has caused, why do you keep it going?

We know the Earth is a hell of a lot older than it states in the Bible . . . why believe the Bible?

You could say you have a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ . . . but anyone with just a passive knowledge of psychology would know the way in which the mind may be simmulated.

If it wern't because of Hell, religion would be gone . . . is that why you believe? Because of Hell?!


Why??

In short, I believe because Jesus' moral teachings work, and the Christian explanation of sin and evil in the world seems to be justified nearly everyday on the news.

Furthermore, it captures my interest in the afterlife. I'm not moved by fear of Hell. Rather, I'm looking for an antidote to death. If, at the end of my life, Christianity was wrong, I don't think that I would have preferred to live by any other values than those found in the N.T.

Thanks

 

[*Rob*]

Originally Posted by Arafat
Why do you believe totally unfounded, ridiculous disinformation? Why do they believe in a 2,000 year old contradictory book full of atrocities and hyperbole?

When so much of the said book has been proven (both by common sense and science) to be just nonsense. A book that "borrows" ideas (i.e. resurrection) from just other legends from the middle east region aroud that time. A book that requiers you take Noah's ark literally . . . to kill those who even suggest as to worshipping another God.

Even though there is no evidence that proves God exists whatsoever . . . you believe it, and yet what makes you think that it's the right religion set down by God?

With all the pain and suffering religion has caused, why do you keep it going?

We know the Earth is a hell of a lot older than it states in the Bible . . . why believe the Bible?

You could say you have a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ . . . but anyone with just a passive knowledge of psychology would know the way in which the mind may be simmulated.

If it wern't because of Hell, religion would be gone . . . is that why you believe? Because of Hell?!


Why??

because Jesus is so loving and so real.

 

[s_gunter]

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