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Why should I believe the Christian faith? I've been Christian all my life, and now have serious doubts. Pascal's wager isn't valid, since it applies to the situation: the one true religion vs. atheism. As we all know, there are a lot more religions than just Christianity.

By the way, I've talked to God today...and asked it why, after all these years, I've come to doubt in its existance. Its answer was, as always, ___.
 

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receptive said:
Why should I believe the Christian faith? I've been Christian all my life, and now have serious doubts. Pascal's wager is total BS, since it applies to the situation: the one true religion vs. atheism. As we all know, there are a lot more religions than just Christianity.

By the way, I've talked to God today...and asked it why, after all these years, I've come to doubt in its existance. Its answer was, as always, ___.

You have been a Christian all your life, But you referred to God as an "it" ?

If you ever where a Christian you would know that God is not an "it" .

We are all responsible for our own response to God. If your response to God is to call Him an "it" then why should you be surprised that you have come to a state of disbelief.

Call God an it and expect a response, amazing.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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You have been a Christian all your life, But you referred to God as an "it" ?

If you ever where a Christian you would know that God is not an "it" .

We are all responsible for our own response to God. If your response to God is to call Him an "it"then why should you be surprised that you have come to a state of disbelief.

Call God an it and expect a response, amazing.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

:thumbsup: :amen:
 
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If you have experienced life today, then you have had a conversation with Yeshua, Jesus, the Messiah and Savior. There is no language any deeper than life.
To see the history of Israel and the amazing history we have experienced since 1948 and the new nation of Israel that the prophets in the Bible foretold, how can anyone shrug off the words of the Bible unless they just do not want to know God's answer to the falleness of mankind??? Life is such a gift, yet because we are fallen into sin and death, we have a hard time seeing the trees because of the forest and are blind spiritually. Sight only comes when we humble ourselves before God and obey Him, asking for spiritual sight and then being willing to work at least up to our potential as humans to seek Him out. Study and learn so that you can show yourself a man who can discern and divide the word of truth with wisdom and knowledge. Listening to the lies of the devil can only bring double-mindedness and doubt. I we renew our minds daily, doubt becomes a thing of the past.
Personally, I cannot understand how anyone could ever be confused about who God is while living in a country with the religious freedom that we have here. In countries where one is forced or threatened to only believe one way, they have an excuse; but here in America, we have all things at hand where we can gather information and study to our hearts content. What excuse will we have before God for laziness and a heart that only seeks after self gratification; above seeking after God and His truth and relying on hear-say of unbelivers?? We, in this country will have none. We will only tell with our actions who the real God is that we worship in life - whether it is self or or just the temporary things of this world that are passing away.
Every person who lives, in a way, has talked with God. Not many truly know Him or acknowledge His name, but the Bible says that one day we will all bow down our knee to that name and admit who our Creator is. He has made Himself known to man in the flesh of a man; the lamb that was slain for the sake of loving His own creation and offering His own life as payment and justice for all the wrong and evil done since the fall of mankind into death. It is the Messiah, Yeshua who has the keys to life and death, and He has promised to bring His physical kingdom to earth even though the spiritual part of His kingdom is already here within the hearts of those that know and love Him. His name is on the lips of the world, even as a curse, but not so much in the hearts of it or there would be no wars or poverty.

2Ti 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

Ro 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

James 1:5 If you need wisdom—if you want to know what God wants you to do—ask him, and he will gladly tell you. He will not resent your asking.
6 But when you ask him, be sure that you really expect him to answer, for a doubtful mind is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.
7 People like that should not expect to receive anything from the Lord.
8 They can’t make up their minds. They waver back and forth in everything they do.
 
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You might want to try the book A Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. He started out as an athiest, trying to disprove Christianity scientifically. He ended up becoming a believer. This book (or any other of his) might have the explanation you're looking for.

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receptive said:
Why should I believe the Christian faith? I've been Christian all my life, and now have serious doubts. Pascal's wager is total BS, since it applies to the situation: the one true religion vs. atheism. As we all know, there are a lot more religions than just Christianity.

By the way, I've talked to God today...and asked it why, after all these years, I've come to doubt in its existance. Its answer was, as always, ___.

:wave: In the first place, NO ONE can be a Christian ALL their life. Becoming a Christian - or being saved - cannot happen until a person reaches an age where they KNOW that they are a sinner and will be lost forever without Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour. Just had to make that my first statement....actually it is the most important thought I had. I must agree that if you were saved, you would know that God is not an 'it' - never has been and never will be - you would know that God is a Him. Here are some scriptures which can lead you straight to salvation:

Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Romans 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Romans 10:9 & 10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

If you will follow what the Bible says to do, then - my friend - you will meet Jesus and truly be a Christian. My prayer is that you will accept Him as your Saviour. :prayer:
 
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I didn't mean to offend anyone by "it". I just don't see a potential universe creator as being limited by gender. "It" is meant to reflect this view, not in a derogatory manner.

I understand that biblically God would be a "He". But, as you might have figured out from my OP, I don't trust that the bible is a divinely inspired text anymore.

Originally Posted by: Robinsegg
You might want to try the book A Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. He started out as an athiest, trying to disprove Christianity scientifically. He ended up becoming a believer. This book (or any other of his) might have the explanation you're looking for.

Rachel
Thanks for the suggestion.
 
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You have been a christian all your life...

When did you become a christian? How did you become a christian? I find it hard to believe that a person who has been born again of the Spirit can walk away so easily. Was it the beliefs of your family that you adopted without any searching on your own part? Sometimes when we grow up in a christian home we just assume we're christian and go along for the ride, so to speak (that's not in all cases). If so, then maybe God has said it is enough and wants you to seek out the truth of the Messiah and His word for yourself. Also there are many people who have been saved for a long time who go through episodes of doubt, finding themselves questioning many things, usually having to dig deeper and eventually go 'deeper' into the things of the Spirit.
I can only pray you will find the truth and find that relationship with the one true God that you have begun to look for.
 
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receptive said:
Why should I believe the Christian faith? I've been Christian all my life, and now have serious doubts. Pascal's wager isn't valid, since it applies to the situation: the one true religion vs. atheism. As we all know, there are a lot more religions than just Christianity.

By the way, I've talked to God today...and asked it why, after all these years, I've come to doubt in its existance. Its answer was, as always, ___.
Friend,

Pascal's Wager should not be the reason to believe in God. That's not considered as "believe". To be saved, we need to believe in Christ by faith alone, i.e. knowing that we are sinners and ask him to cleanse our sins, and not by the reason of Pascal's Wager.

If it's because of Pascal's Wager that leads you to believe, then you will never have a real relationship with God, your heart does not truely believe in him and open to him.

You need to truely believe in Christ, ask him to cleanse your sins, ask him to restore your relationship with God, invite the Holy Spirit to live in your heart and help you to live a good Christian life. Devote your life to God, pray to him for any problems you encounter, and you will witness his miracles and you know that he is there, always so loving and caring.

Christianity is about relationship, the experience of his love, experience the works of the Holy Spirit. As you journey through, you will see more light, more undestandings of God, closer relationship with God, you will experience Love, happiness, and you will know the truth, and he will lead you to the right path, to the salvation that awaiting you.

Do not make judgement that there's no God simply because your prayer is not answered at the time you want it. You need to trust him, be patience with him and you will see miracles - not only prayer answered, but also his messages and teachings that come along with it.

Please feel free to ask questions, all your friends here at CF will gladly help.

God bless.
 
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the kingdom of the heavens is inside us...

we try to find ourselves, to understand who we are and where we are...

during this effort of ours (which is an ongoing life procedure) we may be able to capture the concept of God, and the possible neccecity the Divine Element has for our lives.
 
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receptive said:
I didn't mean to offend anyone by "it". I just don't see a potential universe creator as being limited by gender. "It" is meant to reflect this view, not in a derogatory manner.

I understand that biblically God would be a "He". But, as you might have figured out from my OP, I don't trust that the bible is a divinely inspired text anymore.


Thanks for the suggestion.

I don't think that God has a gender, but that doesn't mean I call Him "it". God is a person (or perhaps some sort of metaperson), but certainly not a thing. Therefore, He is more appropriate than it.

I can second the advice to read "A Case for Christ" - great book.

Keep searching and God bless!
 
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Hi receptive,

Well, we all get into slumps once in awhile. I have been a dedicated Christian and Bible teacher for decades, and I still get upset and impatient, and wonder why God seems so distant. Sometimes I feel as though He wants me to step back and relax (i.e take a little vacation) so He can work with me and shape me without me getting in the way. But He is always watching over His children.

Sometimes if I step back for awhile, I come at things fresh, with a deeper perspective on things. Just relax, step back, and don't sweat it so much.

Look at Sarah. She waited a long time for the promised son Isaac. In fact, she got so impatient, that she asked Abraham to sleep with her handmaiden Hagar, taking matters into her own hands (not trusting God, being impatient, and basically getting in the way). So, you are not the only one. You don't have to make ultimatums about your faith, just hang back, relax, and know that God hears you and will answer you in due time. I know it's frustrating at times, but talk to God about it, like you would your friend (not some robotic ritualistic prayer), and He will listen. Remember these two important verses:

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

1 Corinthians 10:13
There isn't any temptation that you have experienced which is unusual for humans. God, who faithfully keeps his promises, will not allow you to be tempted beyond your power to resist. But when you are tempted, he will also give you the ability to endure the temptation as your way of escape.
 
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Imagine for a moment, (and this is only a story for illustration purposes) imagine you wish to
travel to Pleadeus-heaven. It is in a distant galaxy. You have no means of getting there on your
own.
The ruler of the land, Jehovah, builds a vehicle which is called Jesus-I in order for you to come.
Jesus-I is the only possible way to get there.

Many people in many lands and many languages will have different pronunciations of Jesus-I
and many spellings too, but there is only one vehicle to get you there.

Jehovah (the ruler of Pleadeus-heaven) has made reservations in your name, but you must get
on board the vehicle yourself.

Now, many other (travel agents) want to make money selling you a ticket. But unless that
ticket is for Jesus-I, you won’t arrive where you want to.
A ticket on trans-global airlines will deliver you to Hawaii, not Pleadeus-heaven.

Many travel agents [religions] (perhaps called Catholicus, or Baptismus) will truly give you a
ticket to Pleadeus-heaven. But some charge higher prices. Sure you get your ticket, but they
burden you with other baggage.

The thing to be concerned with, is that Jesus-I only makes one trip, so you have to be on board
when it leaves.
If you get on board the wrong vehicle and miss the flight, it’s too late to belly-ache to your
travel agent.

I hope to see you at Pleadeus-heaven.
 
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receptive said:
Why should I believe the Christian faith? I've been Christian all my life, and now have serious doubts. Pascal's wager isn't valid, since it applies to the situation: the one true religion vs. atheism. As we all know, there are a lot more religions than just Christianity.

By the way, I've talked to God today...and asked it why, after all these years, I've come to doubt in its existance. Its answer was, as always, ___.
Why did you believe before, and why are you doubting it now?
 
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Why did you believe before, and why are you doubting it now?

I believed because that's how I was raised, which is how it most likely is for most people in this world. I had a children's bible and all sorts of christian literature for kids. I didn't doubt it, in fact, I loved it. My father explained to me how important it was to accept Jesus into my heart when I was 14, which I then promptly did, with full sincerity and belief.

Now fastforward ten years later. My doubts arised by thinking, by actually questioning why I believe what I believe.
 
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Why should I believe the Christian faith? __.

I like the honesty of your questioning! And I apologise for the insensivity and arrogance some other replies you have received.

For me, faith is not something to be believed. Faith is about attitude. It is about apporoaching the great Mystery of life with openess, humility and love.

For me God is not a personal being - an almighty super-human figure out there somewhere. God is (to use Paul Tillich's words) the Ground of all Being. God is the depth of life, into which we enter to find value and meaning. God is the source of love and life and all that is of value. God is within us and within everything, calling us to be fully human - fully ourselves. And yet God is ultimate Mystery about which I can talk but never pin down with my words.

In faith, I seek to be open. Open to God in myself, in other people, in nature, in all of life. Always looking for love, life and value in the experiences and people I encounter.

In faith, I seek to by humble. Knowing that God is far bigger than I can fathom. Knowing that God is far bigger than any religion can encompass or lay sole claim to.

In faith, I seek to saturate all of my life with love. Though I may not like or understand what I encounter, I can choose how I respond. And to respond in love is what I believe God (through all religious traditions) calls us into.

Blessings and best wishes. If you like reading, try some of these authors: Paul Tillich, Marcus Borg, John Shelby Spong, Philip Yancey.
 
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True, there are plenty of religions out there. Thank God that I don't follow a 'religion,' but I have an active relationship with Jesus Christ - the one way, the only truth, and only way of life acceptable in the eyes of God.

You want a good idea of a strictly religious person? Saul of Tarsus. I hope I don't have to explain his wicked acts to you. Only when he saw God for who He truly was did he become Paul the Apostle - and even when he was yet Saul the Pharisee, He recognized God immediately. "Who art thou, Lord?" It goes deeper than recognizing God. It's following God by His standards - not our standards.

So sure, there are a lot of religions out there - but that isn't the focus at all. The focus is following the only life which God ordained. Sin separates us from God - there are no works we can do to gain Heaven, there is no justification for our sins. Jesus is the only way, the only One who could take our sins onto Himself for our sake. Buddha couldn't. Shiva couldn't. Mohammed couldn't. Jesus could. That's all there is to it.

Being raised into the religion of Christianity doesn't mean much, other than you have more of a clue than others do. I was raised in a Christian home, but I didn't find God that way. In fact, I made a false confession at a young age.

Only years later, when I'd fell into drugs, alcohol, the occult and a sinful life in essence was I able to find God. When I got to the end of my rope, all I could do was finally look up, and I realized that He hadn't left me behind, I'd left Him behind - and He was waiting for me with open arms.

You could be raised in a farm-house, but you don't know how to work the land until you've done it yourself. Going to church doesn't make you Christian no more than going to a garage makes you a mechanic. Until we humble ourselves to what God offers, search the scriptures to find what's acceptable to Him and apply it to our lives - that's when we become worthy of the name Christian. That's the essence of Christianity. Not a blatant set of rules to follow with a stoic face, not sitting at a pew half-asleep, hoping to grasp the concepts of whats being preached.

Understand what the will of the Lord is. Ephesians 5:17. Delight in the way of the Lord, and meditate on it day and night. Psalms 1:2, Gal. 5:16. Live carefully, realize the spiritual hazards that surround us. Ephesians 5:15.

The Second Epistle of Peter tells you that growth is essential, because as 1st Corinthians 3:1-2 and 1 Peter 2:2 says, you are a babe in Christ. Galatians 5:4 and I John 2:1-2 tells us about the possibility of falling. We have to remember that we represent Jesus Christ[I Tim. 4:12, II Cor. 3:2] and we must follow Christ[I Peter 2:21, Hebrews 12:1-2].

What does God want us to do once we've been saved? Put Him absolutely first, the Book of Matthew will help you with that. Study, and learn His Word. II Tim. 2:15, Acts 17:11, II Peter 3:18. We must obey Him faithfully! Matt. 7:21, Hebrews 5:8-9, Luke 6:46. He wants us to talk to Him in prayer. Philemon 4:6-7, I Thess. 5:17, I Tim. 2:8.

Here's a good one - worship Him acceptably. John 4:24, Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:25-27. Finally, help teach and save others. Matt. 28:19-20, Mark 16:15, John 15:1-8.

You were bought with a dear price. Remember what Christ did for you, keep Him in your heart. Follow the Bible, not a religion. Follow the will of God as His Word tells it - don't rely on a person or even a denomination to tell you. "Judge all things by the Word of God." Period.

Sin separates you from God. In Him is no sin, and as such He will not look upon sin. Until you claim the blood of Christ into your life and pray in His name, God isn't going to give you an ear. And yes, He hears you - whether or not He acknowledges you is entirely up to you alone. "No man comes to the Father but by Me."

I get the feeling you're going to argue that "God wasn't listening when I was saved!" God's ways are above our ways. God's time is above our time. God won't spare us from pain - pain draws us apart from earthly desires and draws us closer to Him. God won't take our pride away, it isn't ours to give, it's ours to let go of. God isn't going to grant us patience - patience is a by-product of tribulation that isn't granted; it's earned. God isn't going to give us happiness - He gives us blessings. Happiness in our standard isn't always right, and is up to us. God isn't going to make our spirits suddenly grow, but He will prune it, and make it fruitful.

God's ways are above our ways. Our cups are already flowing over. We just have to take the time to count our blessings - not our trials. When we go through trials, our characters are strengthened, it's much the same for our spirits. Just remember one thing: "The trying of our faith worketh patience, which is more valuable than silver or gold."
 
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receptive said:
I believed because that's how I was raised, which is how it most likely is for most people in this world. I had a children's bible and all sorts of christian literature for kids. I didn't doubt it, in fact, I loved it. My father explained to me how important it was to accept Jesus into my heart when I was 14, which I then promptly did, with full sincerity and belief.
and, looking back, at no time in that period has anything happened to confirm that belief?

Now fastforward ten years later. My doubts arised by thinking, by actually questioning why I believe what I believe.
Is there something that you now think contradicts your belief, or is it just that you now feel that you need "proof" in order to continue to believe?
 
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receptive said:
I believed because that's how I was raised, which is how it most likely is for most people in this world. I had a children's bible and all sorts of christian literature for kids. I didn't doubt it, in fact, I loved it. My father explained to me how important it was to accept Jesus into my heart when I was 14, which I then promptly did, with full sincerity and belief.

Now fastforward ten years later. My doubts arised by thinking, by actually questioning why I believe what I believe.

He will not force you to stay with Him. He will let you go if that is what you want. He doesn't want robots, or He would force us all to worship Him. You know the truth, you are just listening to the wrong voice. That to, is your choice. You can do all the right things, and still not have and experience with God. God doesn't always respond to calls for proof. He thinks that there is enough proof and you should believe. Its called faith. If you seek Him, not proof or things or feelings or health or wealth, but seek Him, you will find Him. That is His promise to us. If you reject Him and embrace the world, He will allow you to do this also. Make the right choice. Its a long eternity. Be broken and loose your pride and be saved. Praise the Lord.
 
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