Why would God create a person who is a general doubter or has OCD but wants faith and send them to hell but I have talked to pastors one of which is my uncle. It doesn't seem fair 
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God created you and I and everyone else to be able to choose. This allows for relationship. If you want the relationship it is yours, whether you have OCD doubt or "regular" doubt, but it doesn't come free of suffering and trials. OCD is a trial, an affliction, it is not a thing that you choose and it is not a thing for which He would send you to hell. It is, however a thing that He can use to teach you about the sufficiency of His grace.
This isn't at all about who He is or what He will or won't do, it's only about how awful the fear of this disorder is making you feel about who He is or what He might or might not do.
The feelings of fear that this disorder creates in us do not dictate His plans and purposes for us nor do they impede it. Good grief if our salvation was dependent upon the ever changing tide of our emotions none of us would make it. "He remembers my frame that I am dust." How easily is dust disturbed?
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This isn't at all about who He is or what He will or won't do, it's only about how awful the fear of this disorder is making you feel about who He is or what He might or might not do.
The feelings of fear that this disorder creates in us do not dictate His plans and purposes for us nor do they impede it. Good grief if our salvation was dependent upon the ever changing tide of our emotions none of us would make it. "He remembers my frame that I am dust." How easily is dust disturbed?
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Why would God create a person who is a general doubter or has OCD but wants faith and send them to hell but I have talked to pastors one of which is my uncle. It doesn't seem fair
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I am talking about if my doubt is regular I didn't choose that doubt anymore than OCD doubt but I have been told by preachers regular doubts sends you to hell. I have no control over it though.
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Sounds like those preachers are either misunderstanding your situation, or they are the super-traditional type that will claim just about anything can send you to hell.
Even if you have "regular doubt" or not, there is a difference between that and rejecting God. Doubting is just questioning, not a change in belief. Confusing, I know, but there is a distinction.
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Raven,
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how or why a Pastor would stand there and tell someone who had doubt but wanted to recieve Christ that God would send them to hell. Remember when I told you about the man who came to Christ to heal his son and Christ asked him if he believed He could heal him? The man replied, "Lord I believe, help thou my unbelief." So then Christ just walked away from him and didn't heal his son...... No, Christ understood his doubt and He understood that the reason he came to Him for help was that he wanted to believe. He came to Christ even with that doubt and asked for healing and Christ healed his son in spite of His doubt. You said you want to believe even though you have doubt, whether it's OCD or regular - doesn't matter. How can a Pastor say that Christ will turn you away when He demonstrated in the scriptures that He will not.
I'm also willing to bet that that same Pastor has had his own experience with doubt from time to time. It may not be as debilitating and tortured as the doubt that OCD dishes out but I'll bet he still experienced it.
The kind of "doubt" that sends people to hell is really nothing more than a will to disbelieve. It's like saying, "I don't like that idea so I'm not going to accept it." You know it's like when people say things like..."that's not my god" because they may not like the fact that some of the things God calls sin are things that they like to do and won't give up. So they say... "that's not the god that I want to rule my life so I'm not gonna believe that". So they go on and live their lives as if He doesn't exist or isn't paying any attention to their sin. They are happy in their sin and in their unbelief. They are not tortured that they may have done something to seperate themselves from God.
But you have OCD so all these logical and rational reasons don't matter to that part of your brain which has become so accustomed to freaking out about the whole matter. You have to retrain your brain Raven. This is the only thing that will help you. You have to teach it to behave and to quit flipping out about these thoughts. The only way to do that is to purposely expose your brain to the thoughts without fighting them and to just let them be there without attending to them. It's like giving your brain allergy shots. The thing it's become allergic too is the obsessional thoughts and it's overreacting to them. You must desensitize your brain to the thoughts and then it will calm down about them.
I'm heading to bed for tonight so if you reply to anything I've said it's best to PM me so I can respond later on.
Hey... I may sound harsh at times but trust me... I really, really want you to feel better and that's why I say the things I do.
Love you,
Mitzi
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how or why a Pastor would stand there and tell someone who had doubt but wanted to recieve Christ that God would send them to hell. Remember when I told you about the man who came to Christ to heal his son and Christ asked him if he believed He could heal him? The man replied, "Lord I believe, help thou my unbelief." So then Christ just walked away from him and didn't heal his son...... No, Christ understood his doubt and He understood that the reason he came to Him for help was that he wanted to believe. He came to Christ even with that doubt and asked for healing and Christ healed his son in spite of His doubt. You said you want to believe even though you have doubt, whether it's OCD or regular - doesn't matter. How can a Pastor say that Christ will turn you away when He demonstrated in the scriptures that He will not.
I'm also willing to bet that that same Pastor has had his own experience with doubt from time to time. It may not be as debilitating and tortured as the doubt that OCD dishes out but I'll bet he still experienced it.
The kind of "doubt" that sends people to hell is really nothing more than a will to disbelieve. It's like saying, "I don't like that idea so I'm not going to accept it." You know it's like when people say things like..."that's not my god" because they may not like the fact that some of the things God calls sin are things that they like to do and won't give up. So they say... "that's not the god that I want to rule my life so I'm not gonna believe that". So they go on and live their lives as if He doesn't exist or isn't paying any attention to their sin. They are happy in their sin and in their unbelief. They are not tortured that they may have done something to seperate themselves from God.
But you have OCD so all these logical and rational reasons don't matter to that part of your brain which has become so accustomed to freaking out about the whole matter. You have to retrain your brain Raven. This is the only thing that will help you. You have to teach it to behave and to quit flipping out about these thoughts. The only way to do that is to purposely expose your brain to the thoughts without fighting them and to just let them be there without attending to them. It's like giving your brain allergy shots. The thing it's become allergic too is the obsessional thoughts and it's overreacting to them. You must desensitize your brain to the thoughts and then it will calm down about them.
I'm heading to bed for tonight so if you reply to anything I've said it's best to PM me so I can respond later on.
Hey... I may sound harsh at times but trust me... I really, really want you to feel better and that's why I say the things I do.
Love you,
Mitzi
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Honestly, pastors that are so quick to claim that you're going to hell frustrate me. There could be someone who is just genuinely struggling with something, such as a sin or a difficult theological issue, and the pastor's first answer is, "you're going to hell."
That isn't Biblical! We aren't justified by works, we're justified by faith.
That isn't Biblical! We aren't justified by works, we're justified by faith.
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Grace, thanks for sharing that story. I remember reading it in the Bible, and yet- I never looked at it that way. Thank you.
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I just fear that if this is regular doubt and in my heart it is like somehow I am not choosing not to believe even though deep down. I know I never chose to have my faith go. I only have a pinch of faith left. My husband said that he believes when I get rid of my OCD I won't doubt God exists anymore I think when I treat my OCD I will still doubt but hopefully it won't bother me as much. I just worry if I don't obsess I might really become agnostic but basically now I can not know for sure if he exists or not. My friend doubts and is not OCD but she still prays and goes to church etc. I am so confused.
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