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But the event you anticipate and the plan you make are entirely separate. You anticipate a hurricane, your plan is to stay at home. Did you cause the hurricane to occur in order to have the plan to stay at home? Nonsense! So it is nonsense that you say God caused the Fall so that He can have the plan to save mankind!
You forget one hugely important difference: you and I are neither omniscient nor omnipotent. God didn't merely anticipate the Fall and plan for that eventuality, should it arise. He knew that it would happen. He created a situation that he knew would lead to a fallen world.
And what flavours does he come in?
Is turning evil things around into good outcomes not a way of doing good? Or is your definition of doing good too narrow to encompass that?
Yeah, you made it sound cultish. I never said we do not value our physical life, I said we are not troubled by physical death, it is a freeing thought. That is a world of difference from your attempt to paint it as cultish.
Please don't read my sentence halfway, because I stated the intentions already.
That does not change the fact that His foreknowledge has nothing to do with causality. If He is omnipotent, why can't He let go of His omnipotence and simply let things run its course by itself? He certainly can, and that's what He did in the Garden of Eden. Therefore, it is not an issue of causality, it is an issue of you wanting to decide for God what He should or should not do. Lol
And for that matter, all your ranting at me about why God does this and that is meaningless, I am not God.
You forget one hugely important difference: you and I are neither omniscient nor omnipotent. God didn't merely anticipate the Fall and plan for that eventuality, should it arise. He knew that it would happen. He created a situation that he knew would lead to a fallen world.
So the evil itself is a flaw. That's different than saying it's a flaw to have it be part of the universe.... or not:
"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil ... And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil"
well then you can guess what my next question is. if you agree god can give people knowledge. then why is knowledge of good and evil so diffrent from everything else that it becomes impossible for a being that has no rules to do so?Lol? Knowledge of sin is in fact a part of knowledge of good and evil, we were therefore arguing about knowledge of good and evil indeed. Did you lose track of everything in a split second, or were you trying to shift goalposts?
If God was omniscient and omnipotent, then he wouldn't have knowingly created a flawed creation. However, creation is obviously flawed, so one of the following must be true:
1. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omniscient (he could not see the results of his action), or
2. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omnipotent (he could not create a perfect creation, or he did not have the power to sustain perfection in his creation), or
3. God is omniscient and omnipotent but uncompassionate and unloving (towards his creation he originated, dooming many to hell which he foreknew).
What saith ye?
well then you can guess what my next question is. if you agree god can give people knowledge. then why is knowledge of good and evil so diffrent from everything else that it becomes impossible for a being that has no rules to do so?
Is not doing evil also not a way of doing good, arguably a better way?
Why value your physical life if there is one infinitely better awaiting you?
And I asked for his intentions for Job's family specifically. It seems that their only purpose in life is to provide a character-building lesson for Job.
Yeah, but you chew on that single point as though God had no other intentions other than character building. Salvation and eternal life was the biggest reason anyway.
He can "let it run its course," but he's not ignorant of the outcome. He set it up on that course to begin with, knowing exactly how it would unfold.
Clearly. But you do make claims about him.
God does demand everyone's worship. Revelation says that at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that He is Lord. I've been taught in church that one day, everyone will bow to Jesus, whether they want to or not, because they will see Him face to face and be brought to their knees.
Allowing something to run its course is a far cry from doing evil, its absurd to even try to link the two together.
Because God has a purpose for us here? Are you trying to encourage a cultish thinking?
Are the bolded words invisible to you?? Gosh.
So? What is your point anyway? In the end, your point is nothing more than a pompous attempt to tell God what He should do. I am not God, why are you telling me these?
well then you can guess what my next question is. if you agree god can give people knowledge. then why is knowledge of good and evil so diffrent from everything else that it becomes impossible for a being that has no rules to do so?
You keep missing the point. It bears repeating: He can "let it run its course," but he's not ignorant of the outcome. He set it up on that course to begin with, knowing exactly how it would unfold.
What purpose is that?
I don't get it. The biggest reason Job's family was killed was for salvation and eternal life?
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