Why would God create a flawed creation? (2)

[ananda]

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[yesyoushould]

It means existence doesn't exist separated from God. God made it all. Whine about it or don't. The Holy Bible is good.

 

[yesyoushould]

I think I understand the "messy" part now.
"Messy".
So God can do everything He wants, but doesn't? That would make Him evil.

God allows evil to "do as it want's done unto itself."
Now you understand.
your welcome.

 

[yesyoushould]

God created all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL!

lol. hard to understand when serving evil.


Evil creation chose to serve evil. God allows it. How come? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

haha

I pray you get yourself.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Understand now?

Of course ya don't.



Only the righteous stand when, "do unto others as youd have done unto yourself." Is all.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Jesus is life. Believe in it?

Do I believe that Jesus is life? No.

Don't forget your proclamation beside your name.

Not for a moment.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Messy]

I think I understand the "messy" part now.
"Messy".
So God can do everything He wants, but doesn't? That would make Him evil.

God allows evil to "do as it want's done unto itself."
Now you understand.
your welcome.

Nice, Why isn't there a world wide revival? Why don't Legs grow out and Why are not many dead raised? Because His Body doesn't function. You're welcome, lol.

 

[yesyoushould]

Nice, Why isn't there a world wide revival?

I know this is an obvious rebuking for those in God. But just for fun, I'm pointing out the obvious.

"A friend of the world is an _____ of God."

 

[Messy]

I know this is an obvious rebuking for those in God. But just for fun, I'm pointing out the obvious.

"A friend of the world is an _____ of God."

Right, so it isn't God's fault.

 

[stevevw]

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God didnt create a flawed creation. Creation was corrupted when sin entered the picture. Now all things deteriorate. The wages of sin is death but along the way there will be a lot of damage done.

 

[Dave Ellis]

God didnt create a flawed creation. Creation was corrupted when sin entered the picture. Now all things deteriorate. The wages of sin is death but along the way there will be a lot of damage done.

What you're describing is a flawed creation though. If the creation is susceptible to corruption, then it's certainly not perfect.

 

[WoundedDeep]

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What you're describing is a flawed creation though. If the creation is susceptible to corruption, then it's certainly not perfect.

God's notion of perfect is wholly different from what you guys assert to be perfection. How you define God's creation has no bearing whatsoever, because you are not a participant in creating this universe. Who are you to tell God what perfection is?

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the LORD." Isaiah 55:8

 

[WoundedDeep]

Right, so it isn't God's fault.

What is your point of disagreement? It is biblical to say a friend of the world is an enemy of God.

 

[Messy]

What is your point of disagreement? It is biblical to say a friend of the world is an enemy of God.

That God just does whatever He wants to do anyway.

 

[Messy]

What you're describing is a flawed creation though. If the creation is susceptible to corruption, then it's certainly not perfect.

Agree, it Will be perfect in the end. Being perfect is knowing Him completely, being perfect in love, you become like Him and only want to do what He wants.

 

[Messy]

God's notion of perfect is wholly different from what you guys assert to be perfection. How you define God's creation has no bearing whatsoever, because you are not a participant in creating this universe. Who are you to tell God what perfection is?

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the LORD." Isaiah 55:8

Jesus became perfect. If Adam was perfect he wouldn't have sinned.
If God became Man and wasn't even instantly perfect, how could another person be?

Perfect is mature.

till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ

 

[WoundedDeep]

Jesus became perfect. If Adam was perfect he wouldn't have sinned.
If God became Man and wasn't even instantly perfect, how could another person be?

Perfect is mature.

till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ

Yes, but these atheists believe God should create a creation that can never be corrupted, which will never make it perfect according to God's will because perfect (maturity) requires a process of learning by experience.

They want to take the seat of God and prescribe to God what and how He should have created the universe, a preposterous and arrogant thing to do.

 

[Messy]

Yes, but these atheists believe God should create a creation that can never be corrupted, which will never make it perfect according to God's will because perfect (maturity) requires a process of learning by experience.

They want to take the seat of God and prescribe to God what and how He should have created the universe, a preposterous and arrogant thing to do.

Well If That was possible it would be great, I just think it wasn't, but If I'm wrong and He could but thought this was better I don't care either, I know already That He's good. I did care About a good explanation when I thought He was bad thus non-existent.

 

[WoundedDeep]

Well If That was possible it would be great, I just think it wasn't, but If I'm wrong and He could but thought this was better I don't care either, I know already That He's good. I did care About a good explanation when I thought He was bad thus non-existent.

I speak from speculation, but I think it is not possible because we cannot achieve the level of perfection God has unless we go through a learning process. We are not God, we do not share His abilities of infinite wisdom and understanding, so we need to learn His wisdom through the passage of time. Moreover, He desires that we do so willingly and out of our love for Him. That cannot happen if we are created never to become corrupted by sin or in any other way proposed here by the atheists.

 

[FireDragon76]

What you're describing is a flawed creation though. If the creation is susceptible to corruption, then it's certainly not perfect.

Why would a perfect God have to create a perfect creation?

The Bible doesn't say the world was created perfect, merely good. They are two different things.

 

[Mickiel]

God didnt create a flawed creation. Creation was corrupted when sin entered the picture. Now all things deteriorate. The wages of sin is death but along the way there will be a lot of damage done.

I disagree; in Romans 11:32, " For God, ( so the following is something God did), has shut them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy on them all." Unbelief is a flaw, and it was God who spread that on the earth. In Eccle. 7:13, " Consider the work of God, ( again here a WORK of God is now about to be explained), for who can straighten what he has made crooked?" Just comes right out and reveals that God creates things flawed. In Job 26:13 again scripture, again God formed the crooked serpent, or he created satan flawed.

It is God who has ordained all powers, and evil and satan AND demons are powers, in Rom. 13:1 it proves God ordained satan and his demons. Col. 1:16 confirms this, as does John 1:3.

You know I can just keep on listing scriptures, one after another, such as Gen. 3:1 where it reveals yet again that God made satan, or Jer. 10:23 which proves that God created man imperfect and flawed, our way is just not automatically in us at birth, meaning we are incomplete at birth and need guidance.

Hey but scriptures are completely useless if the consciousness is full of planted preconceived traditions that it can't let go! If the traditions don't stand in the way of truth, then they are harmless, but if they block the truth from you, then they are.