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<blockquote data-quote="oi_antz" data-source="post: 65545131" data-attributes="member: 261524"><p>Yes, I do believe that Jesus practiced worship.</p><p></p><p>He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.</p><p></p><p>This behaviour is clearly that of someone who is worshipping God. </p><p></p><p>For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.</p><p></p><p>Why are you suggesting that I think all Muslims, Sikhs and Hindu's do not worship God in spirit and in truth? Further, this implies that you think I must assume that all Christians who worship God must be worshipping in spirit and in truth. Can you explain why you have made this assumption?</p><p></p><p>Whose definition do you consider the most authoritative, and why? Would you consider that yours might be incorrect?</p><p></p><p>This is why I am encouraging you to discover the meaning of worship. If worship does truly mean that you must get on your knees, sing his praises, build temples, go to church on Sundays and proselytise to others, then you will find that Christians all over the world will object to the necessity of each of these acts to demonstrate worship, and when pressed to explain these behaviours, will say that these are acts of worship. IOW, these are acts that the person feels is useful to express the way they feel about God, which is a result of their heart being aligned to Him in worship. I might suggest a couple of words, see whether you can fit these into your definition, and whether they don't always fit into the underlying motive for the activities you have mentioned: reverance and obedience.</p><p></p><p>It is a topic for a separate thread, but I would like to know what good you think it will do to stage this protest. Is it emotionally gratifying? I am still trying to identify what worship is, rather than what someone might do to demonstrate it.</p><p></p><p>Is that helpful to your enquiry?</p><p></p><p>I don't understand this comment, I find it confusing. Perhaps if you reword it I will understand what you mean.</p><p></p><p>I expect these are results of misdirected worship. Can you give an example of this happening as a result of worshipping God? Jesus is said to have come to set the captives free. He is said to have opposed religious hypocrisy and the profiteering of the institution of sacrifice. That is, to free the Jews from the misdirected worship that the religious leaders had instituted, that they can worship God in spirit and in truth. So give us an example and let's see if you are right. </p><p></p><p>What does it depend on? You seem to be suggesting here that it depends on who you worship. I would suggest that it is more than that alone. When you worship medicine, you are putting your faith in the reliability of a doctor. There are many cases where a doctor's mistake has resulted in failure. Same goes with science, things explode if we are not careful enough. So medicine and science are abstractions of knowledge, not necessarily intended to be worshipped, but to be used much as a spade is used for digging. I think this demonstrates that your understanding of worship could still do with a bit of refinement. </p><p></p><p>No they are not. Would you like me to go one by one and show you why each of these things you have mentioned are not the result of worshipping God, or at least not the result of God's commandment? People get all sorts of ideas, and for all sorts of reasons, might decide to say that God gave them that idea. If the idea did not come from God, yet they say that it did, do you say that they are worshipping God?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oi_antz, post: 65545131, member: 261524"] Yes, I do believe that Jesus practiced worship. He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine. This behaviour is clearly that of someone who is worshipping God. For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth. Why are you suggesting that I think all Muslims, Sikhs and Hindu's do not worship God in spirit and in truth? Further, this implies that you think I must assume that all Christians who worship God must be worshipping in spirit and in truth. Can you explain why you have made this assumption? Whose definition do you consider the most authoritative, and why? Would you consider that yours might be incorrect? This is why I am encouraging you to discover the meaning of worship. If worship does truly mean that you must get on your knees, sing his praises, build temples, go to church on Sundays and proselytise to others, then you will find that Christians all over the world will object to the necessity of each of these acts to demonstrate worship, and when pressed to explain these behaviours, will say that these are acts of worship. IOW, these are acts that the person feels is useful to express the way they feel about God, which is a result of their heart being aligned to Him in worship. I might suggest a couple of words, see whether you can fit these into your definition, and whether they don't always fit into the underlying motive for the activities you have mentioned: reverance and obedience. It is a topic for a separate thread, but I would like to know what good you think it will do to stage this protest. Is it emotionally gratifying? I am still trying to identify what worship is, rather than what someone might do to demonstrate it. Is that helpful to your enquiry? I don't understand this comment, I find it confusing. Perhaps if you reword it I will understand what you mean. I expect these are results of misdirected worship. Can you give an example of this happening as a result of worshipping God? Jesus is said to have come to set the captives free. He is said to have opposed religious hypocrisy and the profiteering of the institution of sacrifice. That is, to free the Jews from the misdirected worship that the religious leaders had instituted, that they can worship God in spirit and in truth. So give us an example and let's see if you are right. What does it depend on? You seem to be suggesting here that it depends on who you worship. I would suggest that it is more than that alone. When you worship medicine, you are putting your faith in the reliability of a doctor. There are many cases where a doctor's mistake has resulted in failure. Same goes with science, things explode if we are not careful enough. So medicine and science are abstractions of knowledge, not necessarily intended to be worshipped, but to be used much as a spade is used for digging. I think this demonstrates that your understanding of worship could still do with a bit of refinement. No they are not. Would you like me to go one by one and show you why each of these things you have mentioned are not the result of worshipping God, or at least not the result of God's commandment? People get all sorts of ideas, and for all sorts of reasons, might decide to say that God gave them that idea. If the idea did not come from God, yet they say that it did, do you say that they are worshipping God? [/QUOTE]
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