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Let me make this real clear and simple for you. If you claim that the climate was a certain way in the days of Noah, then you need to know what laws existed. Otherwise you have no way of knowing or making any extension....Your post has lost context. To whose claim are you referring?
Context again dad. What doesn't exist to what unproven past?
The nature we have exists at all depths that we know of. If any laws were different, for example pre KT layer, how would we know?Quantum physics comes to mind. If physics changed at the quantum level, then the earth could not exist prior to Noah's flood. Additionally, why does everything below the level of Noah's flood contain the same physics as everything above it?
You could always ignore the discussion between dad and RickG, and focus, for example, on the last post that related to climate change:Rick G your quantum physics stuff is just a bunch of hot air you are not saying anything with it. Why don't you get on track and talk about GW or the topic at hand. The topic at hand is basics from the Bible I think and other things.
One cannot ignore the fact that climate change is irrelevant unless it covers the far past. To do that one must know what went on and be able to connect the dots. One cannot discuss one's way around that elephant in the room.You could always ignore the discussion between dad and RickG, and focus, for example, on the last post that related to climate change:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7598562-11/#post58824209
*sigh*One cannot ignore the fact that climate change is irrelevant unless it covers the far past. To do that one must know what went on and be able to connect the dots. One cannot discuss one's way around that elephant in the room.
No one has offered any evidence to support a present state set of forces and laws existing in the far past, nor can one by science.DAD has never offered any evidence to support his claims.
Focus on issues, and forget the gibberish and jealousy. Take it gracefully.So it is of my opinion that he has been totally refuted and defeated. I do not however advise anyone to tell him of this because the awakening will be too rude for him to handle. It seems that humility (a fundamental prerequisite of the Christian faith) is totally lacking while pride and vanity are all he has left!
God is right. Science doesn't know. You merely blather.DAD, you could try to find the courage to admit when you are wrong instead of clinging to your pride.
Humility and victory go hand in hand. Humility has zero to do with surrendering to godless ignorance and baseless claims.A little humility is all that is required but it takes faith and courage to express it!
OK, then if all you are trying to claim is some rinky dink changes in the last decades....carry on....*sigh*
AGW is about the present and the future, not the past. Paleoclimate history is interesting, and potentially informative, but not remotely essential to climate science.
These changes are already enough to lead to measurable increases in the strength of storms (of all sizes), increased frequency of droughts, and significant changes in the range for various human agriculture. Things are likely to get vastly worse in the coming decades.OK, then if all you are trying to claim is some rinky dink changes in the last decades....carry on....
"These" changes?? Since you apparently refer to changes in the recent past, and don't really know what causes them, why would anyone care?These changes are already enough to lead to measurable increases in the strength of storms (of all sizes), increased frequency of droughts, and significant changes in the range for various human agriculture. Things are likely to get vastly worse in the coming decades.
Except we do know the cause, and quite precisely: the primary cause is human burning of fossil fuels. This isn't simple extrapolation of trends. We used lab experiments to determine how CO2 gas blocks certain sorts of radiation. We used simple atmospheric models to demonstrate that when you put more CO2 in the atmosphere, the effect of this blocking of radiation is to increase the temperature of the surface. We then checked and verified that this was actually happening to us (one way is by looking at the upper atmosphere....while the surface is warming due to an increase in the greenhouse effect, the upper atmosphere actually cools, which we have observed)."These" changes?? Since you apparently refer to changes in the recent past, and don't really know what causes them, why would anyone care?
I see so your PC runs on pixie dust and the internet on Satan's Breath! GOTCHA!
Except we do know the cause, and quite precisely: the primary cause is human burning of fossil fuels.
So what!!??? You toss the stuff up...But your fear mongering seems to ignore the God factor...that is, that man will not rule forever, nor will this state exist forever. Your projections are based on this state. Get it??This isn't simple extrapolation of trends. We used lab experiments to determine how CO2 gas blocks certain sorts of radiation. We used simple atmospheric models to demonstrate that when you put more CO2 in the atmosphere, the effect of this blocking of radiation is to increase the temperature of the surface. We then checked and verified that this was actually happening to us (one way is by looking at the upper atmosphere....while the surface is warming due to an increase in the greenhouse effect, the upper atmosphere actually cools, which we have observed).
These simplest models explain the recent warming to within about a factor of two. If we plug in more accurate models that factor in all of the known effects, we replicate very precisely the recent warming. So we are quite sure that the parts of AGW that are essential to temperature changes are well-understood.
What is less well-understood are things like ice dynamics, such as how rapidly the land and sea ice will melt.
So far, all of our estimates of ice melt have dramatically underestimated the actual melt.
They certainly can be if we keep burning more fossil fuels!So what? Any changes that are recent cannot be extended into the future.
I mostly blame the power and influence of the fossil fuel lobby from preventing meaningful change off of fossil fuels. You know, something real and tangible, rather than imaginary.Besides, how many coal burning power producing plants exist that contribute to this trend? How may people fly around the world on vacations burning these fuels you are lamenting about? How many godless universities burn fossil fuels heating and powering themselves? How many godless vile selfish wars use fossil fuels? etc etc..... Blame sin. As it get's more intense as we approach the end period, naturally things heat up.
Where do you get this from? Milankovitch cycles and particularly large impacts/volcanic eruptions are known causes of ice ages.Naturally, science doesn't so much as know what even caused the ice age. So??
And this is why Christianity is so incredibly dangerous. You want to just burn the whole world to the ground.So? There will likely be no ice or cold polar climes one day when this state bites the dust. Who cares if it melts faster than same state so called science expected!? All that tells us is that they have limited info. No news there!
Rick G your quantum physics stuff is just a bunch of hot air you are not saying anything with it. Why don't you get on track and talk about GW or the topic at hand. The topic at hand is basics from the Bible I think and other things.
Let me make this real clear and simple for you. If you claim that the climate was a certain way in the days of Noah, then you need to know what laws existed. Otherwise you have no way of knowing or making any extension....
The nature we have exists at all depths that we know of. If any laws were different, for example pre KT layer, how would we know?
"These" changes?? Since you apparently refer to changes in the recent past, and don't really know what causes them, why would anyone care?
It seems to be saying ' the last few decades has seen a trend of warming, that causes....this and that and the other thing....'and we fear greatly that this will extend into the future'. Well, newsflash: there is a lot more to fear. The bible talks of sudden changes so huge that all the things men knows and has counted on will cease to exist. Stars, sun, moon, trees, and nature as we know it...even day and night...etc. Why would I fear your mickey mouse would be trends? I mean you can't extend them into the far past, and can't extend them into the future....
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