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China is hardly homogeneous. And by the way, I said "becoming", not "are". China's per-capita GDP has been exploding in recent decades, currently more than 12 times what it was just 20 years ago.So if we make 4500 dollars a year or whatever we are 'rich' now? Consider greenhouse gas "sin gas"!! The idea that one can punish sinners and tax sin to death is foolish. Man cannot save himself. How did global warming advocates, or recycling save the tens of thousands of kids and women killed in Iraq? Hiroshima? Anywhere at all!?
Come on now, let's get honest.
So then, by 'becoming rich' you actually meant dirt poor relatively. OK. So is it OK then to overtake the other countries in a carbon footprint? What should we do....close all the factories and starve them? Make em walk to work? Charge em a month's wage to get rid of their recycle stuff...etc etc? Keep us posted on the loving way for man to save himself now. Inquiring minds want to know.China is hardly homogeneous. And by the way, I said "becoming", not "are". China's per-capita GDP has been exploding in recent decades, currently more than 12 times what it was just 20 years ago.
Okay? No. But it's reality. China has a much larger population. But no, China is not "dirt poor" by comparison. China has a lot of dirt-poor. But it also has a lot of middle class who are living in big cities.So then, by 'becoming rich' you actually meant dirt poor relatively. OK. So is it OK then to overtake the other countries in a carbon footprint? What should we do....close all the factories and starve them? Make em walk to work? Charge em a month's wage to get rid of their recycle stuff...etc etc? Keep us posted on the loving way for man to save himself now. Inquiring minds want to know.
So then we have a responsibility that is put on the shoulders of some, but not all? Should one country that is a top polluter be less responsible? Who sets your eco standards?Okay? No. But it's reality. China has a much larger population. But no, China is not "dirt poor" by comparison. China has a lot of dirt-poor. But it also has a lot of middle class who are living in big cities.
Taking care of a place sounds good. I sometimes wonder what that really means.I think getting the gospel out to the whole world should be our focus. Christians, beit regular people, business owners, politicians, etc. should take care of the place God gave us to live, but it is more of a side effect, and our goal should be on salvation/repentance.
I recycle, and do my part environmentally, but we have bigger battles to fight in my opinion.
Huh? Why would you think that?So then we have a responsibility that is put on the shoulders of some, but not all?
Huh? What in the world does one have to do with the other? Obviously we want to both recycle and not engage in large-scale warfare.Would being a good recycler mean that billions will not die from womd? Look, I am not convinced that yours is the way of total salvation for man, sorry.
Well everyone needs to do a lot of things, so? Does that mean they do? If some country was to straitjacket it's citizens to strict eco rules, at the cost, of say, a quarter of their wealth when most other nations did not, would it do any good? Of course some could say, well it did the world some good..Huh? Why would you think that?
The fact is simply that we can only control our actions, and influence others' actions through various diplomatic means. Every nation needs to reign in carbon emissions.
Sin is the common denominator. Pollution and war....Huh? What in the world does one have to do with the other? Obviously we want to both recycle and not engage in large-scale warfare.
Um, except that isn't what would happen. The first thing to point out is that moving to a low-carbon-emission economy requires tremendous innovation and production. An economy that is actively pursuing a green-energy future, in other words, is a vibrant economy.Well everyone needs to do a lot of things, so? Does that mean they do? If some country was to straitjacket it's citizens to strict eco rules, at the cost, of say, a quarter of their wealth when most other nations did not, would it do any good? Of course some could say, well it did the world some good..
I agree. The link you spammed has no reasons I can see to believe eco prophesy or to worry.
So, what? You think having a wallet full of cash means that you can get to work on pipe dreams?Um, except that isn't what would happen. The first thing to point out is that moving to a low-carbon-emission economy requires tremendous innovation and production. An economy that is actively pursuing a green-energy future, in other words, is a vibrant economy.
Oh come on now. The eco taxes and burdens placed on the camel of ordinary people break the back of some, and threaten to kill the camel.In the end, it may mean that the eventual cost of goods and services will be a couple percent higher than you get in a greedy economy.
So if the ecos killed the nuclear plants and forced many coal generating plants to come to be, who is to blame? If they stick 10% corn goo in the gas does that really save the world?...or starve it!? Man has no answers. Pretending that being green will save us is a hypocritical fools game.But I doubt it. The problem is that fossil fuel emissions have all sorts of nasty effects that cost us money in other ways. The pollution from burning oil and coal, for example,
Hey ...what doesn't cause problems? Medical? Does that mean we must pay for sex change operations and abortions?causes various health problems that we pay for in our medical insurance bills.
So oil use causes medical problems? What do you propose that causes less? If Iran got nuked, and all hell broke loose there, would the world be healthier? The whole package of science under sin is under the gun here. It is found wanting.In fact, those medical bills are so expensive that they outweigh the cost of the fuel by a factor of three.
I wonder if the real cause of high fuel costs are oil induced sickness!!? Come on now.This means that, for example, when you go to the gas station and pay $2/gallon for gas, the true cost of that gas to you is actually higher, because you end up paying he medical bills for all of the people damaged by air pollution (even if you don't get hurt yourself).
So throwing up thousands of tons of pollution from coal burning plants to power your electric car is a good thing?Moving off of fossil fuels, then, actually saves us money. And not a small amount. We would have a better economy, not a worse one, if we moved to a more sustainable one.
How your religious eco taxes affect some people is an open question. The offensive thing to me is not a healthy respect for creation, but denying the creator, and worshiping the earth and present nature more than God.Prove it.
Oh, right, you can't. Because it's wrong.
And why do you continue to try to drag this thread off-topic? This is supposed to be about global warming, not theology. If you don't think this topic is important, then why in the world are you even posting on this thread?How your religious eco taxes affect some people is an open question. The offensive thing to me is not a healthy respect for creation, but denying the creator, and worshiping the earth and present nature more than God.
Bottom line...some will not bow the knee to all this eco freako demonism in a green dress.
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