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As you know, I am an athiest, but that does not mean I reject anything. I simply don't believe there is a God until I am presented with further evidence, much like how science works.
Anyways, I've read several places on this forum that one must only call out to God for him to touch your heart, yet I tried this, and nothing happened. I know blind faith is one of the requirements, but I can't just lie to myself until I have it. Actually, why is blind faith a requirement? God reveals himself directly to thousands of people in the Bible.
Back to my question though. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.
 
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As you know, I am an athiest, but that does not mean I reject anything. I simply don't believe there is a God until I am presented with further evidence, much like how science works.

Do you believe in love? Hope? These are things that can't be proven scientifically, yet most people "believe" in them. You can believe in God without scientific proof. Although the Bible says that creation proves there is a creator, so men have no excuse not to believe in God.

Anyways, I've read several places on this forum that one must only call out to God for him to touch your heart, yet I tried this, and nothing happened. I know blind faith is one of the requirements, but I can't just lie to myself until I have it.

Who said blind faith is a requirement? Christ never told us to trust in him blindly. We don't check our intelligence and common sense at the door when we put our faith in Christ.

God reveals himself directly to thousands of people in the Bible.

I don't know why God has chosen not to directly reveal himself to you personally, but the fact that you even desire to know him, comes from God.

Back to my question though. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.

Have you asked God to give you faith? Ask him to reveal Christ to you. Ask him to reveal your true nature to yourself (i.e. how you stand before him). Until we see ourselves in need of a Savior, we won't turn to Christ. Do you enjoy your sin? I don't mean that to sound harsh, but most of us do. Sin feels good most of the time, but the consequences are deadly.

All I can say is keep seeking, keep knocking and the door will be opened to you. Read God's word, for faith comes by hearing the Word of God.
 
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As you know, I am an athiest, but that does not mean I reject anything. I simply don't believe there is a God until I am presented with further evidence, much like how science works.
Anyways, I've read several places on this forum that one must only call out to God for him to touch your heart, yet I tried this, and nothing happened. I know blind faith is one of the requirements, but I can't just lie to myself until I have it. Actually, why is blind faith a requirement? God reveals himself directly to thousands of people in the Bible.
Back to my question though. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.
God doesn't always work on our timetable. It could just be that he is waiting for the right moment and circumstances that will enable him to reach your heart.

Don't assume, BTW, that it's necessarly and instantanous thing - for many people it's a gradual, gentle process not a sudden realisation.

Assuming your motives are genuine.
 
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Do you believe in love? Hope? These are things that can't be proven scientifically, yet most people "believe" in them. You can believe in God without scientific proof. Although the Bible says that creation proves there is a creator, so men have no excuse not to believe in God.



Who said blind faith is a requirement? Christ never told us to trust in him blindly. We don't check our intelligence and common sense at the door when we put our faith in Christ.



I don't know why God has chosen not to directly reveal himself to you personally, but the fact that you even desire to know him, comes from God.



Have you asked God to give you faith? Ask him to reveal Christ to you. Ask him to reveal your true nature to yourself (i.e. how you stand before him). Until we see ourselves in need of a Savior, we won't turn to Christ. Do you enjoy your sin? I don't mean that to sound harsh, but most of us do. Sin feels good most of the time, but the consequences are deadly.

All I can say is keep seeking, keep knocking and the door will be opened to you. Read God's word, for faith comes by hearing the Word of God.


Good response. As I recall the Old Testament has a number of cases where God did not "reveal" himself to unbelievers.

As far as God answering prayer goes, He always answers. Sometimes the answer is what we want, sometimes it is what God wants for us, and sometimes it is "Not now".

If one truly seeks God with all his/her heart, God is faithful to reward that seeking. If one is simply asking, kind of on the spur of the moment, then God may wait until the time is better for His response. Sometimes He answers and we don't recognize His answer because we are not in tune with Him.

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Anyways, I've read several places on this forum that one must only call out to God for him to touch your heart, yet I tried this, and nothing happened.

Of course nothing happened.

Did you really think that God exists for nothing else than to perform parlor tricks for you?

The Bible never tells us that God reveals Himself to us when we dare Him to, but only when we repent and put our faith in Christ.

I know blind faith is one of the requirements

Requirement for what, exactly? Faith in God? Certainly not!

Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.

God has already revealed Himself to you through His word and through Jesus Christ.
 
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" The Bible never tells us that God reveals Himself to us when we dare Him to, but only when we repent and put our faith in Christ. Requirement for what, exactly? Faith in God? Certainly not!"

The way I see it is if God only reveals himself after you put faith in him, then blind faith is a requirement
 
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" The Bible never tells us that God reveals Himself to us when we dare Him to, but only when we repent and put our faith in Christ. Requirement for what, exactly? Faith in God? Certainly not!"

The way I see it is if God only reveals himself after you put faith in him, then blind faith is a requirement


I think the tension level is getting a little high and it's time to slow down a little.

One can interpret "faith" in something that is (as yet) unproven by scientific methods as blind faith. That much is true. However, the bible also says that unless we come as little children (that means the faith of a little child) we will not understand. Have you ever watched a little child when they see something for the first time? Or mom, or dad, tells that child that this is the TRUTH?

That child will accept what it sees, or what its parent tells it without question. That is how God tells us that we have to approach the gospel. There is a place in the bible that clarifies why God uses such simple things to prove His point, but I don't remember it right now.

The point is that the whole of creation exists to prove God and His existence. The universe cries out to the glory of God and His creation.

If one wishes to use scientific methods to show that God, or some creator, created the universe it can be done with a pretty solid basis in statistics. The probability of a single cell creature coming together out of the primeval slime is so small as to stagger the imagination. Tomorrow I will dig up the explanation and post it. However, from memory it seems to me that the probability of the spontaneous creation of a single cell organism (capable of life and reproduction) is on in (10, followed by some 28000 zeros.) That only considers the evolution of one, single celled, organism. It does not consider where all the primeval ooze came from, etc etc. Not a discussion of evolution or creation, but a disclosure of the mathmatical impossibility of anything other than a CREATOR who created all this on which we live.

Does it require blind faith in the God who created it all? I would say that the answer is no, it does not. Especially when you consider the probabilities involved in the universe having just popped into existence without a divine creator.

Has anyone of every seen God? Not yet. But we will. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lord and King of Kings. That includes athiests. We will all stand before Christ some day at which time we will each receive our new, eternal address.

I pose an experiment for you.

Study the complexity of your hand. I mean really study it from all aspects, the skin, muscles, bones, blood flow, nerves, flexibility, strength, mobility, etc. Then see if you can imagine how improbable it is that the design of that marvelous instrument "just happened". Not to mention the complexity of the human body.

I have a real hard time understanding how anyone can examine the incredible complexity of our world, and our bodies, etc and not understand that it was created by a divine being/creator.

None of us can make anyone else believe anything. We can only present our views, and hopefully some evidence, with the prayer and hope that it will help bring those who do not believe to salvation.

Please do not misunderstand the tone of my posting. I mean it only from the most positive sense and not as criticism, rather as a help to you in understanding.

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" The Bible never tells us that God reveals Himself to us when we dare Him to, but only when we repent and put our faith in Christ. Requirement for what, exactly? Faith in God? Certainly not!"

The way I see it is if God only reveals himself after you put faith in him, then blind faith is a requirement

In your opinion, perhaps, but you're misdefining blind faith.

Blind faith is really nothing more than wishful thinking. Our faith is based on a sure foundation.

It is a reasonable faith, not just a leap into a blind chasm.
 
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Umaro--

God does hear you. In fact, he uses people to help you that has His Holy Spirit in them. Just by coming to this website is one of the many tools God uses to answer you. God is a Spirit but we are His vessels in clay that He uses.

Pray, repent and tell Him that you are sorry for your sins. Then ask the Holy Spirit to come into your heart so that you can live a christian life. Without it - its impossible to live a christian life.

You want proof? If one were to chose a religion alone based on intellect, it would be christianity but its a spiritual decision. God uses your human spirit to speak to you because He is a Spirit. There is a book called, It Takes More Faith To Be An Athiest. I strongly suggest you read it. And Examine the Evidence by Muncaster who converted from being an Athiest to a Christian. Its objective overwhelming facts about the Bible. Maybe after you have read this intellectual evidence you will spiritual seek the only one true God. Every one is different and some times individuals want the facts first.

Blind faith? No, I'm not using blind faith but I truly know in whom I believe in. The Holy Spirit is more real than anything I have experienced on this earth.

It takes faith to drive you car by turning the key and starting it. You have faith in your car but its not "blind faith". Its not blind faith here either.
 
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As you know, I am an athiest, but that does not mean I reject anything. I simply don't believe there is a God until I am presented with further evidence, much like how science works.

Is not an athiest one who rejects the possibility of a divine Creator? What you describe sounds more like agnoticism.

Anyways, I've read several places on this forum that one must only call out to God for him to touch your heart, yet I tried this, and nothing happened.

I'm not sure who told you that but it's not like God is a cab company. Why were you calling out to God if you don't believe in God?

I know blind faith is one of the requirements, but I can't just lie to myself until I have it. Actually, why is blind faith a requirement?

Faith is not blind. Again, I'm not sure who told you that but it isn't accurate. Salvitic faith is threefold in nature. It is, a) Notitia, knowledge of the life, teachings, death, and resurrection of Christ, b) Assensus, to intellectually assent to the events of Christ's life as described in the New Testament as true, and, c) Fiducia, to appropriate savingly, by an act of the will, the true knowledge of the promises of God in Christ.

In case you're not understanding what I'm telling you, the process of salvation by grace through faith is, most certainly, a rational one.

Back to my question though. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.

It is not your method but your motive that is lacking. You seek to have God prove His existence to you when the world and everything in it evidences His existence. It's ironic that you would so easily submit, as authoritatively binding, science's claims about creation when even the scientific community acknowledges that their explanations are but theories.

Pray tell, if not a divine Creator, how do you think man comes to be the intricate creation that he is? Evolution? From whence comes the beginning?

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As you know, I am an athiest, but that does not mean I reject anything. I simply don't believe there is a God until I am presented with further evidence, much like how science works.
Anyways, I've read several places on this forum that one must only call out to God for him to touch your heart, yet I tried this, and nothing happened. I know blind faith is one of the requirements, but I can't just lie to myself until I have it. Actually, why is blind faith a requirement? God reveals himself directly to thousands of people in the Bible.
Back to my question though. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.
You seem like a very nice person, and your questions are understandable. Just the fact that you are wanting God to reveal himself to you is great. I'm a Christian, I got saved when I was 15 years old and I'm 35 now. I believe that if you come to the point to where you sincerely want to be saved and you ask Jesus to come into your heart and save you from your sins, that he will reveal himself to you. You mentioned that you called out to God to reveal himself for knowledge's sake, but God wants you to call out to him for your sake, not just because you want proof of him. I know some people say that God has spoken to them in certain situations, and I do believe them, but I have never had that exact experience. The types of experiences I have had are when there were times in my life when I didn't think I could handle certain things, or when I was scared about something, and God would give me this feeling of peace and comfort throughout the entire situation. Just having him to talk to helped so much. I know things may seem hard to believe, but you've just got to have an open heart about it all and sincerely want Jesus to come into your life. You've just got to have FAITH. Beth
 
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umaro.

"Back to my question though. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not."

I use the Bible as my primary source of data and proper wordage these days. Much of what it really says has been corrupted by missuse and poor theology.

For instance, the word faith as it has been used on this thread is not how the Bible uses it. Faith is always a gift of God - given upon our believing in Him. It is not something we summon up on our own. What we must do however, umaro, is to believe He truly exists, then your communication will be possible. You cannot expect an answer from a object you do not believe exists. Hebrews 11:6 states "...he who comes to God must believe that He is..."
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The simple intellectual decision of believing He really IS, will open the gates for you.

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As you know, I am an athiest, but that does not mean I reject anything. I simply don't believe there is a God until I am presented with further evidence, much like how science works.
Anyways, I've read several places on this forum that one must only call out to God for him to touch your heart, yet I tried this, and nothing happened. I know blind faith is one of the requirements, but I can't just lie to myself until I have it. Actually, why is blind faith a requirement? God reveals himself directly to thousands of people in the Bible.
Back to my question though. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.

Well, what you describe seems to be some mistaken synergistic approach to salvation but it really probably is pretty much in line with a lot of what you hear. But in any case, you are saying your prayer wasn't answered when it was answered before you even prayed it.

God reveals himself in various ways, but one important way is the Bible. Not everything in the Bible lends itself to being checked out, but many do. Look at the whole science of Biblical archeology, time and again it has been shown that events that people thought were fabrications actually are in accord with what can be learned through archeology.

If you really study that, I think you, as many others have find that the Bible is really quite reliable. Then you get into the things that aren't so easy to check out, the supernatural. Do you think the Bible turns from a very trustworthy archeology witness to and complete lie multiple times?

Faith is belief, but it's really a misnomer to say it is blind. There are indeed things that cannot be proven beyond the ability of people to deny them. Yet Christians find the Bible to be so very reliable in so many ways, and just like you might have a friend or two that if they tell you something you believe it to be true because they basically are truthful people, people find the Bible to be trustworthy too.

You could take Mormon writings and they talk about this whole civilization here in America and such and yet nothing has every been found, there isn't any evidence they ever existed. Believing that sort of thing would be blind faith because it is completely contrary to anything that can be shown, from the made up language to the cities to whatever, might just as well base your beliefs on something by your favorite fiction writer.

But the Bible has time after time been shown to be truthful.

Have you ever read Proverbs? Whether or not you come to believe, there is a lot of wisdom there.

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Hello Friend, It is awesome that you are searching For God, even if the effort is small. But ofcourse i do not know all the effort that you are displacing, only what you mentioned. The funny thing is that it takes more blind faith to believe that there is NO God at all! Think about it....When you look at a painting, you can clearly access that there was a painter.......when you look at a watch...clearly there was a designer........so why would that basic logic not be valid when looking at mountains or animals or stars or planets etc, etc. Obviously there must be a creator, since there are many creations!!!!
I would say if you really want to know the Truth then read the New Testament and see for yourself!- make your own accessment! My question is.....how is it that you can believe that there is NO God, but you cant believe that there is one.....even though the whole universe proves He exists! My friend the cool thing is that once you give your life to Jesus in sincerity there is no more blind faith!...Because even though you may not physically see Jesus with your eyes......you will feel His presence and see the miracles and the changes that He makes in your life!! Kinda like when you see the sunlight when you look out the window.....even though you cant physically see the sun because you are inside, you know that the sun is out at that moment because of the effects of its light streaming across the land! So it is with The Lord.....you will see the effects of His light in your life each day!! Keep trying, dont give up on The Truth! God Bless You my friend! :thumbsup:
 
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As you know, I am an athiest, but that does not mean I reject anything. I simply don't believe there is a God until I am presented with further evidence, much like how science works.
Anyways, I've read several places on this forum that one must only call out to God for him to touch your heart, yet I tried this, and nothing happened. I know blind faith is one of the requirements, but I can't just lie to myself until I have it. Actually, why is blind faith a requirement? God reveals himself directly to thousands of people in the Bible.
Back to my question though. Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have the method wrong? The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.

Interesting...Have you read the scripture that states you have not because you ask not or you ask amiss? Your call to God was a command like an ant would command a train. He is the thing...you want to have something you can feel and see right? What do you expect God to do? Also why should He answer you when you have not answered Him?

Pinch your hand...did it hurt? Why did it hurt? Who created skin in all of its complexness? Do you know where it came from in the begining? IF you state a theory such as evolution then go ahead and admit you only have theories based in assumptions and you really do not know the answer.

God is shown to you through an abundance of ways. Ask the wind to show itself to you and you will have no answer yet yesterday a tree swayed. Ask God to show Himself and you will have no answer yet yesterday the earth watched the rise and set of the sun.

Stop looking for signs and start reading the ones in front of your eyes.
 
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"I have a real hard time understanding how anyone can examine the incredible complexity of our world, and our bodies, etc and not understand that it was created by a divine being/creator."

" Pray tell, if not a divine Creator, how do you think man comes to be the intricate creation that he is? Evolution? From whence comes the beginning?"

Since more than one person asked, I'm going to answer this even though it is not part of my inital question per se.

I don't believe looking at the world shows a creator, because if the world is complex enough to need a creator, then that creator must be infinatly more complex, and need a creator himself. The result is a paradox with an infinate chain of gods. You might say God has always existed, but then why can't our world have always existed?
 
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Dear Umaro:
  • I simply don't believe there is a God until I am presented with further evidence, much like how science works.
Maybe this is the problem right here, as St. James points out:
But when you ask Him, be sure that you really expect Him to answer, for a doubtful mind is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. People like that should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. They can't make up theirminds. They waver back and forth in everything they do (James 1:6-8, NLT).
I believe that you are going about it the wrong way if you are truly seeking God. Instead of asking God "Show me and I'll believe," try it God's way: "Believe Me and I'll show you."

Lay down your pride and acknowledge humbly before God that you don't have the faith but that you are trusting in Him to give it to you so that you can believe. Even just pray something like the following outloud and think about it both internally and out-loud throughout the days and weeks:
LORD, I ask that you'll give me the faith that I need to believe in and trust in you because I don't think that I can at the moment by myself. I'm trusting that you'll strengthen what little faith I have and that in time you will reveal more about you as I walk with you, Amen.
What you are asking is that God show you and then you'll believe, but what I suggest is that you ask God to enable you to believe and then as He works in your life, you'll see the evidence that you are seeking now. It's a paradox I know, but try it.
  • The call I spoke aloud was: God, in the interest of knowledge I request you reaveal yourself to me, so that I may know if you truly exist or not.
In the interest of knowledge? How about in the interest of having a relationship with Him? God will make Himself real to you in His time and according to His purpose if you believe in Him.

Further more, did you actually think that He would answer? You may also like to consider that God has revealed Himself to you in a general sense through what He has created (Romans 1:20). Look at the beauty, complexity, order, and so on that we observe in nature.
 
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Dear Umaro:
  • I don't believe looking at the world shows a creator, because if the world is complex enough to need a creator, then that creator must be infinatly more complex, and need a creator himself.
Not if God is omniscient, omnipotent, outside of time, and eternal.
  • You might say God has always existed, but then why can't our world have always existed?
That is a good question. The laws of thermodynamics, the most fundamental of all scientific laws, seem to deny this notion. The first and second laws of thermodynamics tell us that the total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant and that the amount of energy in the universe available for work is running down. So, logically, if the total amount of mass-energy is limited and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever, other wise it would already have exhausted all usable energy and reached what we call "heat death" in which no further work would be possible. The only logical solution is that the universe must have been created with a lot of usable energy and is now running down. :)
 
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Here is the problem. You are wanting for God to reveal Himself to you. That is reasonable. I hope you are sincere in seeking out God, that you are open to the possibility.

But I think God reveals Himself when we are obedient to His commandments:

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." - John 14:21

This may seem bass-ackwards to you. I mean, why should you obey Someone who you don't believe in or have doubts in believing. But according to this verse, that is exactly how He has choosen to reveal Himself, to those who will trust Him by faith.

If the Exodus story is to be believed, the Israelites had all the opprtunity to see God in action with all the plagues on Egypt and parting of seas, and manna in the wilderness, and signs from the heavens that God was real, yet dispite all this, they still disobeyed God over and over. But God set forth blessing and curse. Blessing if they would obey His commandments, cursing if they did not.

I would challenge you to test this by making a concerted effort to obey the Ten Commandments, just as a way of finding out for yourself if He will manifest Himself to you. Go with the expectation that God will do something in your life as you try to obey (you are certainly not going to be perfect). But see if God will bless your life when you give yourself a chance to obey Him. That things will happen in your life that will go positively your way and you try God's way.

I can only testify for myself that obedience works. But you have only my testimony. For you to be convinced, you need a testamony of your own.
 
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I don't believe looking at the world shows a creator, because if the world is complex enough to need a creator, then that creator must be infinatly more complex, and need a creator himself. The result is a paradox with an infinate chain of gods. You might say God has always existed, but then why can't our world have always existed?

Umaro, you have made the claim that the Christian worldview is untenable because it requires "blind faith," a claim which is inaccurate to say the least. You have made it clear that you consider yourself much too intelligent to be duped by such a belief and prefer to take the scientific approach to discovering the truth. Here you deny the possibility of a divine Creator by employing a logical formula that even science does not espouse. And for what purpose? I am well aware that you do not believe in God but it is contradictory to claim that science is your bedrock but make outlandish claims that neither you nor the scientific community can prove.

So that you avoid looking as if you're simply playing the devil's advocate, please provide the scientific basis for offering up as valid the idea of an "eternal earth."

Thank you,
God bless
 
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