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Yay! I'm 22 ...again.
Ive gotten every excuse from I dont have time (even though they are here every day) to prophesizing about how their opponent will conduct themselves (even though they have never tried). Since every reason they give, from A to Z is obviously false then what could the real reason be? The only difference is that they are going to be held accountable for backing up their claims and cant run away. Is that enough to being the entire creationist argument to its knees?
We are debating here. And the responses from evolutionists here are not honest. They contradict themselves at every turnm like saying that humans came from non-human apes, then they say they came from human apes. And since they aren't capable of seeing their own contradictions, then they aren't capable of honest debate. So they can thank monkeys for their lives and see where that gets them for eternity.I'm afraid that's the only way they're going to learn the truth.
So i hope you see why those YECists who post here can not in good conscience accept any variation on their crusade to bring truth and enlightenment to those held in darkness and falsity, those who disagree with them and their God. They must be single minded and preach the Gospel of YECism as loudly and as persistently as they can, debates will just get in the way of this fundamental and important task. Just like the facts themselves do, thus requiring the exercise of a greater amount of blind faith to counteract them.
I think it is unfair of you to impose your standards of scientific truthfulness on the YEC community. It is a religious community, those YECists here are not interested in science or in the facts about the universe, nor are they interested in learning how to discover and understand these things. They are here primarily to preach and do apologetics for their religious beliefs.
I think it is unfair of you to impose your standards of scientific truthfulness on the YEC community. It is a religious community, those YECists here are not interested in science or in the facts about the universe, nor are they interested in learning how to discover and understand these things.
It is a religious community, those YECists here are not interested in science or in the facts about the universe, nor are they interested in learning how to discover and understand these things. They are here primarily to preach and do apologetics for their religious beliefs. Any reference to science is just that a passing reference done in order to placate those here to talk about the relationship of science to religious belief.
Yes, you would expect that, if the Bible's creation account were literal. The evidence says otherwise, at basically every level. There is no geological evidence of a flood, all humans being born from two parents is unfeasible, the human genome is too diverse to explain a birth from two parents, the Earth is dated to be much older than any YEC timescale and has a clear and measurable history much older than any YEC timescale, there is strong evidence of common ancestry of all life forms instead of special creation, including a common ancestor of modern humans and modern chimpanzees about 5-8 million years ago.YEC are interested in facts. Yes, our religion is a religion primarily of faith. Yes, the Bible is the ultimate authority in our lives. But fact supports what God has revealed, because He has revealed Himself in creation. ("For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made..." Romans 1:20 NKJV)
There is no geological evidence of a flood,
all humans being born from two parents is unfeasible, the human genome is too diverse to explain a birth from two parents,
the Earth is dated to be much older than any YEC timescale and has a clear and measurable history much older than any YEC timescale.
Fossils are created by catastrophes such as floods, not by a gradual process. Dead things begin to decay very quickly on land or in water so would have decayed before it became a fossil if an evolution time-scale is applied.
Recent research by a Yale mathematician, Joseph T. Chang, presented models showing that the most recent person who was a direct ancestor of all humans currently alive may have lived just a few thousand years ago.
Dating the earth by counting layers of sediment as a year is not accurate. Mt. St. Helens laid down 25 ft of fine layers in one afternoon
If you think there is too much coal on the Earth for the Earth to be young, that is wrong, too, because it assumes that the climate before and after the flood were the same. Also, the flood would have created much more coal than a swamp would because it buried vegetation very quickly.
Looking at the Bible, we can see that the account in Genesis one must be taken literally because if evolution is true than there would have been millions of years of death before the fall. Death didn't enter the world until the fall, which happened after everything, including humans, was created.
I'll just respond to this part for the moment. The Bible seems to disagree with the notion of there being no death prior to the fall. First of all, plants were given to man and all the animals to eat, which means at the very least, plants died and decayed.Looking at the Bible, we can see that the account in Genesis one must be taken literally because if evolution is true than there would have been millions of years of death before the fall. Death didn't enter the world until the fall, which happened after everything, including humans, was created.
Uniformitarianism does not imply that there are never any catastrophic events. No one is denying that floods have occurred, and that flooding is responsible for a lot of fossilization.
This doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence of a single, global flood.
And this person was part of a population of humans.
1) That is not the only method used to date the age of the earth.
2) The layers laid down by Mt. St. Helens were mostly ash. No geologist would think that it formed slowly. Again, uniformitariansm does not imply that catastrophic events have never occurred.
In order to entertain the idea that coal was created by a global flood, I would have to have evidence that such an event occurred. We already have an explanation for coal formation that doesn't involve an event that never happened.
The Bible seems to disagree with the notion of there being no death prior to the fall. First of all, plants were given to man and all the animals to eat, which means at the very least, plants died and decayed.
There is no evidence in human testimony of a global flood and there certainly isn't any physical evidence in the Earth. Basic geology shows why a global flood couldn't have happened, and this isn't even including the absurd physics breaking consequences. Do you know that if all the geological catastrophism that made the world look like it currently does happened during the global flood, it would vaporize all water on the planet including the atmosphere, and raise the Earth's temperature to around 1000 degrees?There is evidence in human testimony as well as the earth. Most cultures in the world have stories of a flood. These stories have striking similarities with the account in Genesis (a warning is given by God (or gods), the person that is warned is told to build a vessel for his family and living creatures, the whole earth is destroyed by water, and then those in the vessel repopulate the earth after the flood ends). We weren't there but we have evidence from people who were there as well as God's own testimony.
The deposits of Mt. St. Helens were made from primary air blast, landslide, waves on the lake, pyroclastic flows, mudflows, air fall, and stream water.
What about cell death? Eating an apple kills cells. It may not kill the tree, but it is nonetheless death of cells.Adam and Eve and the animals could easily have had plenty to eat without any plant death. Grazing doesn't kill a grass plant. Picking apples doesn't kill the tree, nor does picking beans, peas, corn, etc...
Plants are not alive in the respect that they do not have a conscious self.
How can God call the pre-sin world "very good" if there was death before sin?
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