The Spirit filled forum is the place for non-congregational discussion. All of the "challenging" versions of what faith is by non-WOF should go neatly there. This is to eliminate any controversy.
The thing is, Bob has been very forthright about his opinions on the subject. He doesn't hide it. I've watched it for some time. I don't agree, but I can respect that.
I remember Norvel Hayes stepped out of God's presence & told him to curse his daughter's growths and not doubt. It took over a month before they disappeared. All along the way he declared what God said. You might have said he was presumptous but like so many believers, just because the manifestation has not come, does not mean they're moving only in hope. And you've still got to carry on like you really do believe every step of the way. ALSO, if he let up and let doubt set in, his daughter would not have been healed, even though it WAS God's will.
I want to add this here:
Norvel found out about it when he stood before God, but God got on to him because it was already his privilege. It was already in the Word. He already had a revelation of the Word about the atonement.
He vigorously fought against doubt by confessing God's Word about the situation literally THOUSANDS OF TIMES. Some people don't like that, but for wasn't going to entertain doubt. He fought the enemy about it. To listen to him, he said when he left God's presence, he could believe God for anything. But the longer he stayed in his body, the more the "natural" frequency of doubt and discord walking in your flesh sometimes brings was trying to dissuade him. There is a process to bringing what you're believing God for into fruition. Sometimes it takes time and all of the co-called "hoops" you describe, are fighting the good fight of faith. It's acknowledging God's Word and His ways. If there's a short-circuit in that process, it's usually departing from His ways.
There's more to walking in the Spirit than just believing God for His benefits, but what is uniquely what we call "WOF", is that like Abraham, you often wait for Him to bring it to pass. Abraham probably looked like an old fool changing his name at 100 years old! I'm sure someone might describe that as toxic.
Many times what God says to you is not in an apparation either. It's a breath in your spirit or a quickening that can be quite subtle. Sometimes it says, "You already have My Word on the subject." You're questioning if you really heard. As God told Norvel, the ball is in our courts so to speak. It's up to us to lay hold.
God sent apostles of faith to teach us how not to oppose what you're standing for. If you don't receive that revelation, then folks are in the "non-WOF" camp. You can still be blessed, but there's a good chance you won't walk in the privilege Jesus paid for with His Blood. That's the advantage of being "WOF". It's straight Christianity with a strong emphasis on walking in His ways, according to the Word.
Something else about that visitation is very telling. It was God's will all along even though he didn't have the revelation on it. "How long ar you gonna put up with those growths on your daughter's body?" God told him that he already had the authority to have them removed. It was up to him to get the revelation. The Word of God was true for him, just waiting for him to take it up and enter in.
That's the prescription for receiving healing as well as finance. Since there is more to consider about healing than believing (setting your face like flint) and not getting into doubt. There might be repentance issues as well. But God has you believing all along the way, even why He is dealing with you on other things. You might consider that toxic to actually dare to believe along the way before the harvest faith comes, but it's the Word of God.
The same goes for money. There's never a time, when you declare lack or sickness over your own life (not denying your state of being, but it's right to remain that way). That's even when you're poor.
So at what point do you decide to say WOF believers are presumptuous? Never, because you cannot read the heart. They may die along the way, they and their family still standing on the gospel. It is not our business what part of what God requires was lacking. It is surely out of order to say their are presumptuous to stand on the Word of God for your life, regardless of the final outcome.
You've got your favorite examples of those who died, but the exceptions (based on who knows what) are not the rule of example. They certainly do not represent "popular WOF". You consistently poke at "popular Wof".
I'm glad you come by, but you really can't teach and people discussing their views about what faith is is exactly that.
The thing is, Bob has been very forthright about his opinions on the subject. He doesn't hide it. I've watched it for some time. I don't agree, but I can respect that.
You often speak about WOF people being in presumption and not having faith. How do you judge that? You cannot see into the heart. If their actions somehow reflected non-corresponding actions, then you'd have a point. But it IS their corresponding actions that you take issue with. It is there believing, even before that Word is fully formed within you and harvest faith comes.
I remember Norvel Hayes stepped out of God's presence & told him to curse his daughter's growths and not doubt. It took over a month before they disappeared. All along the way he declared what God said. You might have said he was presumptous but like so many believers, just because the manifestation has not come, does not mean they're moving only in hope. And you've still got to carry on like you really do believe every step of the way. ALSO, if he let up and let doubt set in, his daughter would not have been healed, even though it WAS God's will.
I want to add this here:
Norvel found out about it when he stood before God, but God got on to him because it was already his privilege. It was already in the Word. He already had a revelation of the Word about the atonement.
He vigorously fought against doubt by confessing God's Word about the situation literally THOUSANDS OF TIMES. Some people don't like that, but for wasn't going to entertain doubt. He fought the enemy about it. To listen to him, he said when he left God's presence, he could believe God for anything. But the longer he stayed in his body, the more the "natural" frequency of doubt and discord walking in your flesh sometimes brings was trying to dissuade him. There is a process to bringing what you're believing God for into fruition. Sometimes it takes time and all of the co-called "hoops" you describe, are fighting the good fight of faith. It's acknowledging God's Word and His ways. If there's a short-circuit in that process, it's usually departing from His ways.
There's more to walking in the Spirit than just believing God for His benefits, but what is uniquely what we call "WOF", is that like Abraham, you often wait for Him to bring it to pass. Abraham probably looked like an old fool changing his name at 100 years old! I'm sure someone might describe that as toxic.
Many times what God says to you is not in an apparation either. It's a breath in your spirit or a quickening that can be quite subtle. Sometimes it says, "You already have My Word on the subject." You're questioning if you really heard. As God told Norvel, the ball is in our courts so to speak. It's up to us to lay hold.
God sent apostles of faith to teach us how not to oppose what you're standing for. If you don't receive that revelation, then folks are in the "non-WOF" camp. You can still be blessed, but there's a good chance you won't walk in the privilege Jesus paid for with His Blood. That's the advantage of being "WOF". It's straight Christianity with a strong emphasis on walking in His ways, according to the Word.
Something else about that visitation is very telling. It was God's will all along even though he didn't have the revelation on it. "How long ar you gonna put up with those growths on your daughter's body?" God told him that he already had the authority to have them removed. It was up to him to get the revelation. The Word of God was true for him, just waiting for him to take it up and enter in.
That's the prescription for receiving healing as well as finance. Since there is more to consider about healing than believing (setting your face like flint) and not getting into doubt. There might be repentance issues as well. But God has you believing all along the way, even why He is dealing with you on other things. You might consider that toxic to actually dare to believe along the way before the harvest faith comes, but it's the Word of God.
The same goes for money. There's never a time, when you declare lack or sickness over your own life (not denying your state of being, but it's right to remain that way). That's even when you're poor.
So at what point do you decide to say WOF believers are presumptuous? Never, because you cannot read the heart. They may die along the way, they and their family still standing on the gospel. It is not our business what part of what God requires was lacking. It is surely out of order to say their are presumptuous to stand on the Word of God for your life, regardless of the final outcome.
You've got your favorite examples of those who died, but the exceptions (based on who knows what) are not the rule of example. They certainly do not represent "popular WOF". You consistently poke at "popular Wof".
I'm glad you come by, but you really can't teach and people discussing their views about what faith is is exactly that.
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