'Why?' -- What Do the 911 Truthers Believe?

[Brak]

A couple of points here:

Why destroy B7 in a controlled demolition at all? Knocking down 1 and 2 would have been enough to get the Patriot Act through. .

- Reason a crook would demolish Building 7: evidence concealment. These are the leasees of Building 7: WTC7.net the hidden story of Building 7: What Was In Building 7?

The IRS? The CIA? The Secret Service? The Mayor's "FEMA" office? That's an awful lot of juicy targets for just one building. I'm surprised the "terrorists" didn't strike just Building 7 and not the WTC. Remember, according to the mainstream conspiracy theory, Building 7 was not a target of the terrorists at all. It fell by "accident".

If it weren't for conspiracy theories, most people wouldn't even have known B7 even existed

"If it were not for those pesky conspiracy theories, Building 7 would have just collapsed in spite of never being struck by an airplane, and no one would have noticed, no one would have cared. We would have just shoved it under the rug and forgot about it."

Do you realize how much that statement actually vindicates conspiracy theories?

 

[Ar Cosc]

A couple of points here:




- Reason a crook would demolish Building 7: evidence concealment. These are the leasees of Building 7: WTC7.net the hidden story of Building 7: What Was In Building 7?

The IRS? The CIA? The Secret Service? The Mayor's "FEMA" office? That's an awful lot of juicy targets for just one building. I'm surprised the "terrorists" didn't strike just Building 7 and not the WTC. Remember, according to the mainstream conspiracy theory, Building 7 was not a target of the terrorists at all. It fell by "accident".




"If it were not for those pesky conspiracy theories, Building 7 would have just collapsed in spite of never being struck by an airplane, and no one would have noticed, no one would have cared. We would have just shoved it under the rug and forgot about it."

Do you realize how much that statement actually vindicates conspiracy theories?

If you wanted to destroy evidence, why not just shred it, or, if the shredders were jammed, move it into the buildings you were going to destroy by flying planes into them anyway?

 

[GodbetheGlory]

For this threads purpose, we will assume the US Govt., Bush, Trilateral Comm., or the Tele-tubbies either, plotted, funded, committed or abetted the 911 attacks for some diabolical purposes. Convince me. Any idea is welcome and I won't ask for supporting docs or cites. Be serious, if you can.

There's a lot of good sites the lay the facts out in detail. Heres a good one I found in 1 minute search:
9/11 Facts Timeline
Be sure to read this section in the middle:
September 11, 2001—Timeline for the Day of the Attacks

No one knows all the exact details but my question to you is why do you trust the Gov. so much? People in power have a history of being corrupt and manipulating their people for there own good. Let me ask you do you think we would have been able to start wars in Iraq or Afgan with the support of the American people if it wasn't for 9/11? Do you think the Gov. would have been able to create Homeland security of the Patriot act if it wasnt for an even like 9/11?

Why are you so against people asking questions and not trusting the Gov.? If the people don't ask questions and demand answers then would will?

You can blindly believe that the Gov is all good and can be fully trusted all you want but you're just fooling yourself.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

A couple of points here:
- Reason a crook would demolish Building 7: evidence concealment. These are the leasees of Building 7: WTC7.net the hidden story of Building 7: What Was In Building 7?

The IRS? The CIA? The Secret Service? The Mayor's "FEMA" office? That's an awful lot of juicy targets for just one building.

So the people who knew about the conspiracy couldn't make evidence dissappear, so instead they planted explosives throughout a heavily populated buildingso it could be blown up when 2 planes crashed into adjacent buildings so it would look like B7 was demolished by debris and hoping that no-one going through the ruins would find any of the evidence they wanted to hide ?

sounds like Occam's Razor failed here.

 

[Brak]

hoping that no-one going through the ruins would find any of the evidence they wanted to hide ?

You do know what happened to all the debris, don't you?

sounds like Occam's Razor failed here.

I never said I agreed with Occam's Razor's premise. Crooks like complexity--not simplicity. Take money laundering, for instance: what is money laundering? Concealing theft by means of complex financial transactions. Complexity is the means by which they attempt not to get caught.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

You do know what happened to all the debris, don't you?

Still seems extremely complicated, not to mention extremely risky for the govt if they were found out. Why not simply set a fire, have the evidence (whatever it was) dissappear during a robbery or an office relocation, or have a high-ranking member of your conspiracy remove it what whatever purpose.

Why go the all the trouble of blowing up a building and hoping no-one finds anything during the cleanup?

 

[GodbetheGlory]

So the people who knew about the conspiracy couldn't make evidence dissappear, so instead they planted explosives throughout a heavily populated buildingso it could be blown up when 2 planes crashed into adjacent buildings so it would look like B7 was demolished by debris and hoping that no-one going through the ruins would find any of the evidence they wanted to hide ?
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So you're saying building 7 fell at near free fall speed because of Terrorist Voodoo? I've heard of Terrorist voodoo before, pretty powerful stuff, can easily bring down a large sky scraper at near free fall speed.
(I can't believe people think the building fell do to explosives placed in it. Thats impossible, we don't have that type of technology to bring down large sky scarpers at near free fall speed with explosives. But terrorist voodoo now thats for real.)

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

So you're saying building 7 fell at near free fall speed because of Terrorist Voodoo? I've heard of Terrorist voodoo before, pretty powerful stuff, can easily bring down a large sky scraper at near free fall speed.
(I can't believe people think the building fell do to explosives placed in it. Thats impossible, we don't have that type of technology to bring down large sky scarpers at near free fall speed with explosives. But terrorist voodoo now thats for real.)

Perhaps addressing the actual question may help

 

[Ar Cosc]

So you're saying building 7 fell at near free fall speed because of Terrorist Voodoo? I've heard of Terrorist voodoo before, pretty powerful stuff, can easily bring down a large sky scraper at near free fall speed.
(I can't believe people think the building fell do to explosives placed in it. Thats impossible, we don't have that type of technology to bring down large sky scarpers at near free fall speed with explosives. But terrorist voodoo now thats for real.)

It's not the means, it's the motive. There are plenty of ways any nebulous evidence could have been destroyed a lot less riskily than blowing up an entire building under cover of a terrorist attack on an adjacent building.

Not to mention the sheer number of people who would have to be involved in such a conspiracy. The pilots who would be willing to kill not only themselves, but thousands of innocent people for the government. All the planners and coordinators of the attacks, all the investigators of the structural failures of the buildings...

If I could just dwell on that last one for a second, the investigators were not intelligence men, they were not government puppets, they were well-respected forensic failure analysts. If the buildings were blown up by explosives, pretty much all of them would have realised this. Why haven't any of them talked? Or at the very least, why was there no scandal over the appointment of the investigators? If they were hand-picked because they'd help with a cover-up, there'd have been an uproar among other specialists in the field that people were being picked for reasons other than ability, knowledge, or experience.

Finally, as a mechanical engineer who did a significant proportion of his final year project on the behavour of metals at high temperatures, a hybrid steel-concrete building like the WTC could easily have been brought down by a fire of sufficient temperature. The steel softens due to the heat, if begins to creep under load, transferring more and more of the structural weight of the building to the concrete, which eventually fails catastrophically due to its brittle nature. It's far more likely that this would cause the buildings to fail in the way they did, than a controlled demolition. In order for a controlled demolition to work properly, the explosives have to be placed in a precise pattern, and have a strict timing sequence. The sort of arrangement that would be severaly messed up by an event such as a plane hitting the whole shebang at an unpredictable height, speed, and angle.