Why we should accept the BoM as True

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I would prefer people to ask God about His Beloved Son, rather than about whether a book was true or not.



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[scraparcs]

You will recieve an answer, if you are sincere in your effort.

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My prayer for everyone is that they truly seek the Truth, and truly desire to recieve an answer. Good luck.

I have one question to which I would like an answer, if someone can provide it.

What if the answer is no, the BoM is not wholly true?

It seems I get the same answer every time. The BoM, while inspired, need not be wholly true. (I tend to get odd answers.)

 

[scraparcs]

Let me clarify things a bit. I get mostly silence, and no real urging that the BoM is true, and some reasons have been argued against it. So, what should one do if the answer is either silence or no? Praying many times shouldn't make God change His mind.

 

[Blackmarch]

I would prefer people to ask God about His Beloved Son, rather than about whether a book was true or not.



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that's a great start. So you find out there really was a Jesus and he really can save you, then what?

 

[Blackmarch]

Let me clarify things a bit. I get mostly silence, and no real urging that the BoM is true, and some reasons have been argued against it. So, what should one do if the answer is either silence or no? Praying many times shouldn't make God change His mind.

Have you tried praying and asking if the Bible is true?

 

[A New Dawn]

I would prefer people to ask God about His Beloved Son, rather than about whether a book was true or not.



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I would prefer to share my testimony about God and His wonderful love for all of us, and then offer as many testimonies of Christ as I can.

 

[unbound]

I prayed about it and the the promptings of the Holy Spirit told me it was one of the fables mentioned in the NT.

 

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that's a great start. So you find out there really was a Jesus and he really can save you, then what?

Jesus said "Follow me"

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btw, this seems to be one of the threads Erwin shortened over the weekend when he maintenced the database.

I did not start this thread. My reply in post #1 referenced the OP.

Which leads me to ask the question,

"Did Joseph Smith have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ before he had his "first vision"?

thanx

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[Blackmarch]

Jesus said "Follow me"
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Yep he did, Which is the thing to do, except some people run into some snags here; there are tons of different denominations teaching different ways of following him (the differences which could be slight or great).

btw, this seems to be one of the threads Erwin shortened over the weekend when he maintenced the database.

I did not start this thread. My reply in post #1 referenced the OP.

Which leads me to ask the question,

"Did Joseph Smith have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ before he had his "first vision"?

thanx

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Don't know what you would consider a personal relationship with Christ, and if JS would qualify for that. Also don't really know what the local denominations were teaching about that subject.
But it's known that his family was very religious.
When recounting his first vision JS mentions that it was his first time to pray vocally to God by himself.
However the reason for his prayer was to know which sect was right for him to join. And that he trusted God for an answer does say something about his belief in God.

 

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Blackmarch quote:

Yep he did, Which is the thing to do, except some people run into some snags here; there are tons of different denominations teaching different ways of following him (the differences which could be slight or great).

I would agree and also include your church and beliefs.

Don't know what you would consider a personal relationship with Christ, and if JS would qualify for that. Also don't really know what the local denominations were teaching about that subject.

I understand what a personal relationship with Jesus is. If JS had never prayed to God vocally by himself, then I would have my doubts as to whether he had a realationship of any sorts......if you know what I mean, Vern.

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[Blackmarch]

I would agree and also include your church and beliefs.

From the definition/statement given, it sure does.

I understand what a personal relationship with Jesus is. If JS had never prayed to God vocally by himself, then I would have my doubts as to whether he had a realationship of any sorts......if you know what I mean, Vern.

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Yep sure do, that's why more knowledge on what was being taught in the various denominations in that area were (at that time), could help in clearing that up.
Or it could be that he was wanting to develop a personal relationship with God and Christ that drove him to finding the right church, which led to the first vision.

 

[A New Dawn]

I understand what a personal relationship with Jesus is. If JS had never prayed to God vocally by himself, then I would have my doubts as to whether he had a realationship of any sorts......if you know what I mean, Vern.

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Outside of prayer and testimony service, I don't pray to God vocally. What is it you consider a problem with that, Vern?

 

[AMMON]

I would prefer people to ask God about His Beloved Son, rather than about whether a book was true or not.



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Inquiries to God regarding His Beloved Son are, certainly, paramount and wonderful. Nevertheless, since God rarely speaks to us directly, our understanding of His ways and His desires of us are often found through the Holy Scriptures. To wit, "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." (Amos of Tekoa, The Holy Bible, KJV, Amos 3:7 (circa 730 B.C.), p. 1139 [emphasis in original].)

Accordingly, where the Lord reveals His word through the prophets, and the prophets record His word in the Holy Scriptures, which include The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ ("The Book of Mormon"), one should objectively read, ponder, and pray to determine, with the guidance of the Holy Spirt, if one should accept The Book of Mormon as true. Concordantly, if The Book of Mormon is "true," it contains the words of the prophets of God, which prophets are His mouthpieces to us, that we might better understand Him and do that which He asks of us.

Therefore, we should read, ponder, and pray for ourselves that God might speak to our spirits through the Holy Ghost, and help us to accept the veracity of The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

"Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things [i.e., the writings of The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ], if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost." (Moroni, Son of Mormon, The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, Moroni 10:3-4 (421 A.D.), p. 529 [emphasis added].)

Thus, in response to the title of this thread, that is why we should accept The Book of Mormon as true.

 

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Outside of prayer and testimony service, I don't pray to God vocally. What is it you consider a problem with that, Vern?

From what Blackmarch had stated, JS had never prayed to God. Therefore, logic dictates that he never had a realationship with God in the first place.

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Ammon quote:

Inquiries to God regarding His Beloved Son are, certainly, paramount and wonderful. Nevertheless, since God rarely speaks to us directly, our understanding of His ways and His desires of us are often found through the Holy Scriptures. To wit, "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." (Amos of Tekoa, The Holy Bible, KJV, Amos 3:7 (circa 730 B.C.), p. 1139 [emphasis in original].)

The Lord speaks to us day by the Holy Spirit. Your verse from Amos is the OT. The "prophets" of today are not the same as the OT.

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[A New Dawn]

From what Blackmarch had stated, JS had never prayed to God. Therefore, logic dictates that he never had a realationship with God in the first place.

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I was sure he said that Joseph Smith had never prayed vocally when he was alone.

When recounting his first vision JS mentions that it was his first time to pray vocally to God by himself.

 

[AMMON]

The Lord speaks to us day by the Holy Spirit. Your verse from Amos is the OT. The "prophets" of today are not the same as the OT.

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You mean, God has changed his ways? He changes at all?

 

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I was sure he said that Joseph Smith had never prayed vocally when he was alone.

When recounting his first vision JS mentions that it was his first time to pray vocally to God by himself.

Sounds like the first time he prayed to God to me. Perhaps the original statement would help.

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You mean, God has changed his ways? He changes at all?

I'll have to check those websites about which debate tactic you're using here to take my statement out of context of it's original meaning......


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[AMMON]

I'll have to check those websites about which debate tactic you're using here to take my statement out of context of it's original meaning......


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