Why Was Clement Epistle Excluded From the Canon?

[concretecamper]

argumentum ad populum, a fallacious argument

a safe place, I understand.

 

[HARK!]

a safe place, I understand.

There is no safety in numbers.

Proverbs 11:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

 

[concretecamper]

There is no safety in numbers.

Proverbs 11:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

and what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[tz620q]

There is no safety in numbers.

Proverbs 11:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

I think I see your argument that inspiration comes from God and was focused on the Scripture writers, which makes the writings inspired from the beginning. We can both recognize that fact; but Jesus said that he would send the Holy Spirit and that the Spirit would guide us to the truth. So the early church prayed for the Spirit to guide them in the books chosen. One of the criteria that they settled upon was that the book had to be universally accepted, which is why Clement did not make the canon and why an argumentum ad populum was actually used. It doesn't prove inspiration; but it does show consensus in what the Spirit guided the people to recognize as truth. The converse theory would be that nearly the entire church fell into error early on and selected the wrong books. That seems to be the Bart Ehrman crowd's theory on why their pet books did not make the list.

 

[Knee V]

Because Clement wasn't an Apostle. He was not one of the 12, he was not Paul, and he was not one of the 70.

The Church read publicly those writings which were given to us by the Apostles. During their debates about the canon of the New Testament, the church debated which books were genuinely Apostolic. That was the extent of those debates.

 

[concretecamper]

Because Clement wasn't an Apostle. He was not one of the 12, he was not Paul, and he was not one of the 70.

none of these 3 criteria are given in scripture.

The Church read publicly those writings which were given to us by the Apostles.

And they read others...many others

 

[Knee V]

none of these 3 criteria are given in scripture.

And they read others...many others

There are NO criteria given in Scripture for the contents of the canon of the New Testament.

Yes, there are many others, but this thread is about the New Testament.

 

[concretecamper]

There are NO criteria given in Scripture for the contents of the canon of the New Testament.

my point

Yes, there are many others, but this thread is about the New Testament.

no, it about why Clement's letter wasnt included.

You have some personal thoughts and reasons, which is great. But how do we know they are correct without confirmation from scripture?

 

[Knee V]

my point
no, it about why Clement's letter wasnt included.

You have some personal thoughts and reasons, which is great. But how do we know they are correct without confirmation from scripture?

I don't have personal thoughts on the matter.

 

[concretecamper]

I don't have personal thoughts on the matter.

ok, your personal reasons (or someone else's reasons you agree with) then are not confirmed by scripture.

 

[Knee V]

ok, your personal reasons (or someone else's reasons you agree with) then are not confirmed by scripture.

That's not what Scripture is, and I am will not be subject to arbitrary Reformational standards.

 

[concretecamper]

I am will not be subject to arbitrary Reformational standards.

There are no such things as reformational standards.

That's not what Scripture is

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