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Hi,

I hope this is okay to ask here? If not, feel free to move/remove as appropriate.

But, I was doing some online research into SDA and wondered why vegetarianism is listed as a feature?

Can anyone explain for me?

Thanks so much and God bless.
 

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Hi,

I hope this is okay to ask here? If not, feel free to move/remove as appropriate.

But, I was doing some online research into SDA and wondered why vegetarianism is listed as a feature?

Can anyone explain for me?

Thanks so much and God bless.
Yes, while eating clean foods is permitted in the Bible, it was never part of God's perfect plan from Creation. Killing animals to eat was never God's intention it was allowed after sin. Before Adam and Eve sinned and lost the privilege of eating from the Tree of Life they ate from the land- fruits and vegetables. Many Adventist believe this is the way God intended us to live and how we will be living when Jesus returns as there will be no more killing and the saints will once again eat from the tree of life. Rev 22:14

There was a study about this in the Blue Zones and found that Adventists lived on average 11 years longer


A Sunday Pastor did a sermon on this showing how God blessed every Sabbath one kept in longer years lived, I'll see if I can find it again.
 
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Creation's Design: A Vegetarian Diet

In the beginning Adam and Eve ate a plant-based diet and had access to the tree of life.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Even after the fall Adam and Eve had a plant-based diet, but from the field as they were no longer in Eden.

Genesis 3:17-19 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

God Allows Meat

Noah's family were given permission to eat meat after the flood. Most likely because there was no plant life to eat.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

God Sets Guidelines for Meat Eating

God commands men not to eat unclean meat.

Leviticus 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
(Read Leviticus 11 for the specifics.)

Back to Creation: A Vegetarian Diet

A return to a plant-based diet and the tree of life.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God allows man to eat clean meat, but it is not the diet we were created to eat.

Health Issues and Disease

Your body tells you all you need to know. It gives you warning signs that your diet may not be the best for you. Chronic pain and inflammation. Brain fog, bad memory, the inability to focus. Heartburn and indigestion, and distress. The feeling of being weighed down all of the time.

In recent years there have been studies (here's one) that have shown that meat eating increases the risk of colon cancer by 30%. And now we're seeing colon cancer starting to appear in children (source).

My Own Experience

Our church has a program called NEWSTART. Nutrition, exercise, water, sunlight, temperance, air, rest, trust (in the Lord).

The one that most overlook is temperance, which is moderation or self-restraint. In my own life I had multiple food and drink addictions. I was eating and drinking in excess to make myself feel better, but it was only making me feel worse. I wasn't practicing portion control. I was eating all of the wrong foods. Meat was my primary food, and I was eating it in large quantities. I was drinking large amounts of caffeine. I was drinking alcohol.

Once I broke free of my addictions and started eating a mostly vegetarian diet, I noticed my chronic pain went away. I lost weight. I feel better now than I have in a long time, since I was a teenager. I have clarity of mind and focus. I used to have heartburn all of the time when I ate a lot of meat. I haven't had heartburn since.

It's gross to mention, but I have to because it's relevant. My bowels were in turmoil because of my diet. Once I settled into a vegetarian diet my digestive system normalized. The bad smells in the stool were gone too (which I attribute to meat).

If your body is trying to tell you something, you might want to try a vegetarian diet. I can tell you from personal experience that you feel much better when you go vegetarian.

Conclusion

My own conclusion:

If we were created to eat a plant-based diet, and we are going to return to a plant-based diet, then it makes sense that we are to eat a plant-based diet. The concession that God gave Noah, and the clean/unclean guidelines do allow us to eat meat, but I think it is evident that meat should be in moderation, or as little as possible. My own experience has shown this to be true, after going from a destructive indulgent diet to vegetarianism.

I do think that people don't realize the implications of how much of an effect diet has on mental and physical health. As Christians we are called to do better, but how can we do better if we're living a life of intemperance and indulgence?

Ellen White wrote a lot about diet. Here is one quote:
Grains, fruits, nuts, and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator. These foods, prepared in as simple and natural a manner as possible, are the most healthful and nourishing. They impart a strength, a power of endurance, and a vigor of intellect, that are not afforded by a more complex and stimulating diet.
 
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Ok, thanks all for your help.

I still don't really understand so please be patient.

What about clothing? We weren't meant to wear clothing and only did so after Adam and Eve sinned. Are we supposed to be naked? I don't understand why food is the one thing that is picked up as something men only did after Adam and Eve sinned since almost everything we do now is due to Adam and Eve sinning e.g. wearing clothes, being mortal etc.

Many thanks and God bless, as always.
 
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Ok, thanks all for your help.

I still don't really understand so please be patient.

What about clothing? We weren't meant to wear clothing and only did so after Adam and Eve sinned. Are we supposed to be naked? I don't understand why food is the one thing that is picked up as something men only did after Adam and Eve sinned since almost everything we do now is due to Adam and Eve sinning e.g. wearing clothes, being mortal etc.

Many thanks and God bless, as always.
Good question! :)

Clothing in the Bible represents righteousness. Nakedness means no righteousness.


Job 29:14 I put on righteousness, and it clothed me; My justice was like a robe and a turban.
Psa 132:9 Let Your priests be clothed with righteousness, And let Your saints shout for joy.
Isa 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, As a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments, And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

Adam and Eve were created with God's righteousness, created in His likeness Gen1:26. Adam and Eve only became naked when they choose to listen to the other spirit over obeying God, they lost their righteousness. It broke a lot of commandments when they did so which is sin 1John3:4 and I can give you examples of this if you want.

God clothed them in animal skins after they sinned which represents the first animal sacrifice for sins. Its was a temporary fix that pointed forward and could only be resolved with the blood of Jesus for our sins.

In the Bible there are two choices- blessings and curses. God wants to give His children blessings if we are faithful. But if we are not and we let go of Him, He has no choice to turn us over to the other spirit because if we are not with Him, we are against Him Mat12:30

Many people think the blessings and curses are for just for the Old Testament but that's not true

Deut 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”

The New Covenant we are grafted in by faith to all the promises.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The New Covenant still has God's laws Heb8:10 same ones Exo34:28 just a new location 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 as God does not change, but established the New Covenant based on better promises of what He will do. Heb8:6 I can go into these better promises of the NC if you want in a separate post.

How does this effect clothing.

Because of our parents first sin, they lost their robe of righteousness, lost the right to eat from the Tree of Life (eternal life) and was removed from the Graden of Eden.

Through the blood of Jesus, through faith and great love of Jesus and abiding in Him and if doing so, we would be keeping His commandments, the same ones Jesus kept John15:10 who is our example 1 Peter 2:21-22 and based on His strength John 14:15-18 this is what will reconcile us back to Him, back to the Tree of Life and reverse all the curses and receive the robe of righteousness covered by Jesus.

That's why clothing and keeping God's commandments (His righteousness Psa119:172) are interchangeable

Rev 22:14 NASB Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates.
Rev 22:14 NKJV Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.


Let me know if this makes sense.

God bless!
 
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Ok, thanks all for your help.

I still don't really understand so please be patient.

What about clothing? We weren't meant to wear clothing and only did so after Adam and Eve sinned. Are we supposed to be naked? I don't understand why food is the one thing that is picked up as something men only did after Adam and Eve sinned since almost everything we do now is due to Adam and Eve sinning e.g. wearing clothes, being mortal etc.

Many thanks and God bless, as always.

If you look at the account of Moses on Mt. Sinai, you find that when he came down from being in the presence of God, his face shone with the brightness of the glory of God. Likewise, we can reckon that Adam and Eve were covered in that same glory, because they were in the presence of God.

Exodus 34:29-30 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him. And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

When Adam and Eve sinned their robes of righteousness no longer covered them. Their eyes were opened to their own nakedness, both physically and spiritually (unrighteousness from sinning).

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
God fashioned clothing for them, because of their own self-awareness of being physically and spiritually naked.

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Revelation says that the saints will receive white robes (righteousness). The same covering that Adam and Eve had before the fall.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 
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Thanks both for the answers! I don't always like asking questions because they can come across the wrong way via text but you guys got it and are extremely helpful.

I must confess, I still don't understand or agree with the notion of being vegetarian as a biblical standard, but it is interesting to know why some do.

Really appreciate your help!
 
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@SabbathBlessings @Freth

Thanks both for the answers! I don't always like asking questions because they can come across the wrong way via text but you guys got it and are extremely helpful.

I must confess, I still don't understand or agree with the notion of being vegetarian as a biblical standard, but it is interesting to know why some do.

Really appreciate your help!
For the record, not all Adventists are vegetarians, there are Adventists who eat clean meats as shown in Lev 11. From my experience, the SDA's do not judge either way, regardless of their preference. I think most who come into the church are not, but overtime due to more studies tend to lean in the direction of vegetarian due to health reasons and preparing for Jesus to come where no one will be eating animals thank you Jesus!

God bless!
 
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Our potlucks are vegetarian only. I grew up eating vegetarian potlucks and I can tell you that they are delicious. You don't miss the meat at all.

Vegetarianism is promoted, but not a requirement (aside from potlucks). I grew up eating meat and vegetarian food myself. Many in the church are not vegetarian.

We can look back to Eden and look forward to the new heaven and new earth, both of which have the tree of life. Every indication is that we will be eating a plant-based diet after the second coming. In fact, currently carnivorous animals will live in harmony with plant-eating animals and both will eat a plant-based diet. No more meat eating.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

I look at it from both a physical and a spiritual health standpoint. What is the best possible diet for the Christian? My conclusion is vegetarianism, or veganism.

The choice to not eat meat is a personal conviction, not a salvation issue. God has given us guidelines for a long life, and I truly believe that diet is a big part of that.

Our church gives us the freedom to choose how we eat, but the health message goes forward regardless as a best possible solution to health and wellness.
 
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Thanks both!

I was a vegetarian for a long time and was very unhealthy in many ways.

Despite this, I appreciate you letting me know how and why things are done in your church.

Very enlightening and very appreciated! God bless!
 
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