Why Two Opposites In This Forum?

[nephilimiyr]

Yah know what? After all the posts I made in this thread I have ended up working this all out of my system. Honestly, I don't care anymore. You guys can do whatever you want. Once you all decide on something just let me know.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Untrue. You know its very hard to have a discussion when the other side resorts to such overt untruths

Show me threads, provide links to posts that trash you or WoF beliefs. By that I mean posts that actually trash WoF not just people discussing their own experiences and their own conclusions, I mean posts that are really out to get WOF

Look at the two little words under your username.
It says all that needs to be said...

Which is fine. If you think this is funny and want to joke about it.. go ahead.

But do not turn around and pretend there is nothing to it.

 

[Tenebrae]

Look at the two little words under your username.
It says all that needs to be said...

"anti wof"

Which is fine. If you think this is funny and want to joke about it.. go ahead.

But do not turn around and pretend there is nothing to it.

So in other words you cant actually provide any threads where you specifically have been slammed, or where WoF beliefs have been trashed

As for the user title, I figured if I was going to be continually accused of being anti WoF, I should start living out that stereotype

 

[probinson]

Ok then, without using any of those excuses, and blaming others, to excuse yourself, explain to me why you haven't always displayed the fruits of the Spirit in this forum?

Because I'm not perfect.

But the difference is, I'm not using that as an excuse for my behavior. While I acknowledge that I am not perfect, it is not an excuse for me to NOT display the fruits of the Spirit. When I fail, as I will, hopefully someone else is also exhibiting some of the fruits of the Spirit (like "patience" for example) and so the problem is minimized.

There are times when my wife explodes, and I am patient with her. Then again, there are times when I explode, and my wife is patient with me. The point is, we don't just sit back and say, "Well, we'll never be perfect, so our relationship is doomed to fail!" No, we work on it, living a life of humility and repentance toward each other, making allowances for one another.

This is how the body of Christ should function, and I do not see that as an unattainable goal.

 

[nephilimiyr]

I'm sorry but that made me laugh.

I'm getting tire of this, time for a nap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0

 

[probinson]

So in other words you cant actually provide any threads where you specifically have been slammed, or where WoF beliefs have been trashed

I went to look, but I see the forum has been cleaned of the recent threads where this has happened. Also, I was "paranoid" that if I spent too much time in there, lismore might call me "hostile" or "paranoid" again...

I do have part of a post I could quote, but since it's been deleted, I don't want to violate the rules by posting it again.

 

[Tenebrae]

So thats potentially 2 threads out of 10 pages worth?

I'm genuinely interested in seeing evidence of the problem, so far I've read alot of over emotional hyperbole.

I went to look, but I see the forum has been cleaned of the recent threads where this has happened. Also, I was "paranoid" that if I spent too much time in there, lismore might call me "hostile" or "paranoid" again...

I do have part of a post I could quote, but since it's been deleted, I don't want to violate the rules by posting it again.

 

[msbojingles]

Well, after reading this thread, it's official. I don't belong anywhere. This thread is just disgusting.

See ya 'round, guys.

 

[disciple-ofjesus]

So thats potentially 2 threads out of 10 pages worth?

I'm genuinely interested in seeing evidence of the problem, so far I've read alot of over emotional hyperbole.

YOU took me to task in the ONE thread for having the WOF icon, and now you do this? I too was being accused all the time of WOF that is why I put it there...nice double standard. AND the one thread that is gone was started by someone whining about me not agreeing with them and bragging that he had reported posts. Conveniently gone.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

How can you be insulted by someone else's beliefs? That statement doesn't even make sense to me.

Of course it does . When Muslims say they believe in Jesus but make up a new story about "h"im well, it is easy to get offended . and when satanists write a bible which is the opposite of biblical teaching you know .. it is easy to get offended .

But bringing it out of left field (see above exhibit)

Jesus said . you would be hated by the world because you testify what it teaches is evil .

so now the church is divided . so we know from this symptom that everyone is wrong a little . and those who insist they're right are even more wrong especially from what the bible teaches .

so with worldly teaching as premise for biblical interpretation happening for thousands and hundreds of years there is all sorts of room for "offense"

because none of us are there yet . but if you're humble enough to realize that . you might not notice . and might not mind it a bit .

because you know that the Love that indwells you surpasses all this knowledge so .. it really doesn't matter when it all comes down to it .

 

[probinson]

So thats potentially 2 threads out of 10 pages worth?

I'm genuinely interested in seeing evidence of the problem, so far I've read alot of over emotional hyperbole.

Well, since you asked, here's my 10 minutes worth of looking;


"...For me, if I can actually help someone locked in a world of WOF entrapment, to see for themselves that much of it simply doesn't work and will never work, is reward in itself...."

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658/#post51469000
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"WOF is sneaky.

They hold out the hook of healing and prosperity to the passerby.

Its only when you're well into it that you hear about becoming little gods, manipulating faith forces and all the weirder stuff."

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658/#post52515226
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"...I'll never board that bondage train again. Soon, the object of your faith becomes your faith, because you're always looking inside you for answers. Do I have enough faith? Do I believe enough? Did I confess it positively enough? Nightmare!"

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658-2/#post54354192
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"There are Word of Faith doctrines are influencing and using Christianity to lead us from the truth (through media, books and churches)..."

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658-2/#post54355933
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Here, is a post where a once very active member of the non-WoF forum even seemed to agree that the forum was leaning anti-WoF;

"...But I think we've been going about it incorrectly. Instead of trying to defend our forum and beliefs, and then come back in here to vent frustrations, why don't we find ways to make this forum positive, without discussing what we disagree with about WoF?..."

Source http://www.christianforums.com/t6764614/#post42868967

 

[Joy]

although I'm not WOF after today I can not call myself non WO F I like fellowship with all on here. I was of the understanding that this particular forum was for fellowship and not debate.

 

[Simon Peter]

Because we do believe the same on many points, and if that be our focus we can fellowship without any friction. I believe the problems come when people try to tell others what to believe, or when they tell them they are wrong for believing what they believe.

The reason I even bring this up is for 2 yrs. I went to a Calvary Chapel, all the while holding fast to what I know is true. But the LORD lead us there for a season. What I saw was it did not interfere with our fellowship at all. There was a deep love. The leadership there knew what we believed, yet permitted us to be in leadership b/c they knew we would not cause division. We respected those in authority as the Word tells us.

If they had said we could not stay there unless we renounced out beliefs, we would not have had the time with them we did. So if one said I could not post in another forum b/c I am WoF and have to stay in my camp, there would be a great many people I could never be with here.

Won't we all be in heaven?

Will the LORD divide is there?

I could see if I made trouble and caused strife something would have to be done.

So you're for the status quo option then?

I agree that leaving things as they are is better then some of the suggestions I've heard.


Peace,
Simon

 

[Simon Peter]

Here, is a post where a once very active member of the non-WoF forum even seemed to agree that the forum was leaning anti-WoF;

"...But I think we've been going about it incorrectly. Instead of trying to defend our forum and beliefs, and then come back in here to vent frustrations, why don't we find ways to make this forum positive, without discussing what we disagree with about WoF?..."

Source http://www.christianforums.com/t6764614/#post42868967

Lol, this post was from about 2 and a half years ago!

And by saying "a once very active member of the non-WoF forum", are you implying that he's no longer active because of the friction? Because you should well know he stated personal issues for his rare appearances.

And besides, the friction long predates two and half years ago.


peace,
Simon

 

[psalms 91]

Lol, this post was from about 2 and a half years ago!

And by saying "a once very active member of the non-WoF forum", are you implying that he's no longer active because of the friction? Because you should well know he stated personal issues for his rare appearances.

And besides, the friction long predates two and half years ago.


peace,
Simon

Therefore you acknowledge the differences. Now do you also support a split based on those differences because we have lost members over this infighting and only God knows how many unbelievers that saw this.

 

[Simon Peter]

Therefore you acknowledge the differences. Now do you also support a split based on those differences because we have lost members over this infighting and only God knows how many unbelievers that saw this.

I'm not sure I understand. What differences am I therefore acknowledging?

I have long acknowledged the different beliefs among SF believers.

As for supporting a split; well there's already a split. Do you mean supporting a different type of separation than we already have? Well that depends on the details.


peace,
Simon

 

[psalms 91]

I'm not sure I understand. What differences am I acknowledging?

I have long acknowledged the different beliefs among SF believers.

As for supporting a split; well there's already a split. Do you mean supporting a different type of separation than we already have? Well that depends on the details.


peace,
Simon

Actually it was laid out pretty well earlier by someone that suggested two full forums seperated and a couple other things. I am definitely in agreement that there needs to be a seperation along with many others as seen in this thread but the call is not ours it will be up to the owner and the advisors. I just pray that this time it is done.

 

[Tenebrae]

Bravo. (and FYI, I'm not being sarcastic) I am impressed that you actually provided me with links. Attacks on WoF however, I see people expressing opinions about their experiences.


Which is also something that happens in the WoF forum. Yet, I dont see the non WoFfers runnimg in their expressing disgust screaming about persecution

ave you noticed that much of the current anti-WoF threads and posts in the debater forum are simply devoid of any substance whatsoever?

post 1 is full of it

and that was first thread that came up in less than a minute. I could go on, however need to go and get ready for afternoon shift on the medical ward. This is not a one sided issue no matter how much the WoF crowd would like to make it

Well, since you asked, here's my 10 minutes worth of looking;


"...For me, if I can actually help someone locked in a world of WOF entrapment, to see for themselves that much of it simply doesn't work and will never work, is reward in itself...."

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658/#post51469000
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"WOF is sneaky.

They hold out the hook of healing and prosperity to the passerby.

Its only when you're well into it that you hear about becoming little gods, manipulating faith forces and all the weirder stuff."

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658/#post52515226
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"...I'll never board that bondage train again. Soon, the object of your faith becomes your faith, because you're always looking inside you for answers. Do I have enough faith? Do I believe enough? Did I confess it positively enough? Nightmare!"

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658-2/#post54354192
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"There are Word of Faith doctrines are influencing and using Christianity to lead us from the truth (through media, books and churches)..."

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658-2/#post54355933
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Here, is a post where a once very active member of the non-WoF forum even seemed to agree that the forum was leaning anti-WoF;

"...But I think we've been going about it incorrectly. Instead of trying to defend our forum and beliefs, and then come back in here to vent frustrations, why don't we find ways to make this forum positive, without discussing what we disagree with about WoF?..."

Source http://www.christianforums.com/t6764614/#post42868967

 

[Faulty]

"...I'll never board that bondage train again. Soon, the object of your faith becomes your faith, because you're always looking inside you for answers. Do I have enough faith? Do I believe enough? Did I confess it positively enough? Nightmare!"

Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658-2/#post54354192
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This is my post and I'm rather proud of it.

It's not an anti-WOF posting in itself, but rather a very accurate description of my WOF-experience. I consider those 10+ years to be a complete waste of my life and will be a regret I will most likely take to my grave.

It's personal about me and WOF only. It has nothing to do with you or any other WOFer. It's my experience alone and I still mean every word of it.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Even if the belief is biblical . if there is a idolatry of the belief and a grasping hand of covetousness of the heart towards it .

it will not be practiced in the power of God's spirit it will be tainted by the pride that comes with such things .

it is important to examine both the inside and the outside .

because it is written "May God be true and every man a liar"

which means what ever we come up with . it will be wrong in some sense so .. it matter the heart and its relation to God's love when coming up with these ideas on how to live with God in your life .

I had to leave this morning and could not stay.

Its funny that you brought up covetousness. I have had an issue with that as well.

Strongly desire to be healed.

Strongly desire to be wealthy.

Strongly desire to have (or to be)“________”.

Non-God-Centered doctrines (i.e. covetousness) are supremely serious, which may be why the commandments against it are first two on 10. The worst form of idolatry is to make a god in our own image, and then worship it. Paul warned Timothy about "constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain....But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction." (See 1 Timothy, Chapter 6). In 1 Thessalonians 2:5 For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness—God is witness. In 2 Peter 2:3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.Paul said covetousness is idolatry (Ephesians 5:5) and instructed the Ephesians to avoid anyone who brought a message of covetousness (Ephesians 5:6-7).

Covetousness breeds misery.

Luke 12:15
Jesus said, “Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses.”

Philippians 4:11-12 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.

Romans 7:8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Psalm 119:36 Incline my heart to Your testimonies, and not to covetousness.