Why this hate for Islam?

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I am a former Muslim and have read the whole Quran several times both in Arabic and in English and Norwegian translations. I had to flee my own country because my former husband and his fellow Muslims have a duty to kill me as an apostate. Have you heard about honor killings?

from a fellow former muslim. I can imagine how it must have been for you as a female apostate. I met Christianity abroad and never went back.

 

[français]

Is there any evidence from the Qur'an and/or authentic Hadiths that support honor killing?

Nope, not at all. To the contrary, there are many Hadiths where Muhammad condemned people burying their children and all.(it was a custom to sometimes bury the daughters because people did not like having women as children.) Muhammad condemned that strongly.

Plus, no where in the Qu'ran/Sunnah is there anything about "honor killing."

So, it is no Islamic by any means!

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Have you heard about honor killings?

Yeah I have,but it has nothing to do with Islam, show where in Islam it says this.I am a student of religion and i have been taught that it does not exist in Islam. Actually my teacher the other day was saying we should call it dishonour killing because it is a dishonour in Islam to kill somebody for no proper reason.
You must have missed out this verse when you read the whole Quran:
5:32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.

Please what quran ahave you read and show me where it says honour killing has naything to do with Islam.
killing of the apostate has nothing to do with honour killings.if so then the Bible preaches it too.
Peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

from a fellow former muslim. I can imagine how it must have been for you as a female apostate. I met Christianity abroad and never went back.

Again one who claims he was a muslim and had knowledge and was practising Islam, agrees with a lie about Islam.If you were honest and really were a practicising muslim would have voiced out about what is truth and what is a lie about Islam.However you too want to make others beleive that honour killings is part of Islam.
so you promote lies.

 

[yaqovzadeek]

from a fellow former muslim. I can imagine how it must have been for you as a female apostate. I met Christianity abroad and never went back.

Yep what with the Dollars and citizenship what do you expect

 

[yaqovzadeek]

I would agree. I have never read the Koran or even the Jewish Talmud and I would say ingnorance of something can cause more fear and perhaps animoisity towards others than knowledge of a religion.
I tend to try and get along with all religions [and denominations within Christianity itself ] and like the old proverb says:

"better to keep silent and thought a fool than to open the mouth and confirm it"

Hey littlelamb why not educate yourself and read the quran and other scriptures.I have almost all scriptures of every religion and although i have not read all but when the need arise I do.
Peace
yaqovzadeek
aka jame the Just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm

You can check out this link. Among the scholars there are many different opinions about this, But the fact is that some muslims believe that apostates should be killed, regardless. .

Honour killing has nothing to do with apostacy, please do not spread untruths about Islam.the Bible says that an apostate should be stoned to death. So does that mean that the bible preaches honour killings too then?

And it doesn`t matter to me if 99 muslims mean that this is wrong as long as there is one who is convinced that killing an apostate is a good deed. It only take one person to kill another. Believe me I did receive several threats on my life. Even my parents and other family were harassed for a while.

if that one you want to beleive is totally wrong, then is that right for you to justify that islam beleives in Honour killings.I am not talking of killing the apostate here. I am talking of honour killing cos that is what you said. We muslims beleive in the Quran and hadeeth,there is no where in the quran and hadeeth that promotes honour killing.
I posted a verses that claims the total opposite that one is not suppose to kill but rather save a life. having read the Quran is one thing but promoting lies about is another.
Peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka james the just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Shouldn`t you as a former Baptist and fundamentalist Sola Scriptura have read all the Bible several times? Even as a Catholic you would have read and heard the Bible read in Church.

I am a former Muslim and have read the whole Quran several times both in Arabic and in English and Norwegian translations. I had to flee my own country because my former husband and his fellow Muslims have a duty to kill me as an apostate. Have you heard about honor killings?

I have a scandanavian friend who left Islam cos her muslim exhusband mistreated her but according to what she explained to me he had no Islam and she left Islam not disgruntled with Islam but the way a bad muslim treated her.
I was the one teaching her about Islam since her husband never did.So don't blame Islam blame your ex husband.

Peace
yuaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

 

[Secundulus]

Honour killing has nothing to do with apostacy, please do not spread untruths about Islam.

The subject was the killing of apostates, not honor killing.
These are the authentic sayings of Muhammed.

Bukari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:

Narrated Abu Huraira: . . . I have been made victorious with terror​

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:

Narrated Ikrima: the Prophet said, 'If somebody discards his religion, kill him.' "​

 

[DanielRB]

Not hate for me, but rather dislike. I've seen a lot of dogma and hatred from Abrahamic paths. My religions teacher has dubbed the three to be the most intolerant religions of the world. I just don't like strick dogma, hatred, or rules and it seems most fundamentalism comes from those three faith..which causes a lot of problems.

(Foregive me if this has been commented on already...I'm just reading the thread through, I haven't read every post yet).

There are not three but at least four Abrahamic faiths. The newest, Bahai, is often forgotten. It's also not very intolerant.

Daniel

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste James,

thank you for the post.

I have almost all scriptures of every religion

i find this claim to be highly questionable as i seriously doubt that you'd spend all the money necessary to acquire a full copy of the Buddhist canon let alone the over 80 world wide religions that i'm aware of that have a written canon.

i'm not even sure why this would be of any relevance to the conversation

although i have not read all but when the need arise I do.

then what is the point in having them?

they are not written to collect dust on your self, they are written to be read and to convey certain ideas and information... if you've not read them then you really don't know what they may have to say, do you?

when does the need arise to read them? is it for quote-mining to support your position or are you reading them trying to understand what they are trying to communicate?

metta,

~v

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

You know he has read Summa Theologica of St.Thomas Aquinas, claiming 4000+ document, yet he still struggles understanding Catholic doctrine... What he does is, he sets a filter in his mind with ISLAM written on it, and then throws these books into his notorious filter, mostly in partial, and then he arrives to conclusions that are not event originally meant... Thanks for your points vajradhara.

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste Bushmaster,

thank you for the post and the kind word. it's been quite a while since you and i have exchanged those.

i wasn't really making a point other than to raise the question of claim.. it would be similar to me claiming that i've got 36,932 snails in my backyard and each snails appearance is unique. of course i've not looked at these snails to actually know if this the case but it sounds good when i say it.... and i could go look at these snails if i needed to but really.. who's going to double check it?

naturally the conversation has nothing to do with snails.

to be perfectly frank i think it is quite possible to own religious text of other religions (i do) read them and understand them (i do) yet disagree with them. i'm always amazed at the person that presumes my disagreement stems from my misunderstanding... it reminds me of a fragment of a song from some time in my youth...

there ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy,
there's just you and me and we just disagree..

that said, it is equally possible that a being does not understand the text and this can be difficult to demonstrate. in many cases ones understanding, especially if they are not an adherent, may differ from particular demoninations or schools of thought.. many times involving multiple disciplines and thus a person can rightly claim that the person doesn't understand. we have to understand this in a very narrow context, however, as what we are really claiming is that they don't understand how we and those that think like us do.

i have that particular problem on this forum with some of my fellow Buddhists that make statements that, to me, see very un-Buddhist! i wonder how they can have read the same Sutta that i did and come to the conclusion that they are espousing. sometimes i become a bit caught up in it but there it is.

i don't have the dialog history with james that you seem to have though i have noticed this particular sort of online posting behavior amongst many of the Muslims which i dialog with. there are, of course, many which are not engaged in cyberdawa and actually seek to understand another religious perspective.

interestingly enough i find most of those Muslims on Muslim discussion forums not Christian forums where it seems the di rigour attitude is confrontation.

metta,

~v

 

[warghaha]

First, let me say up front that I hate neither Muslims nor Islam. I have stated many times that Islam has great potential. I have had Muslim friends who I considered quality people. My daughter was very close friends with two Muslim sisters most of her life, and our families got along well because of our shared values: decency, fairness, kindness, honesty, modesty, chastity... Their father very much approved of his daughters hanging around my daughter, just as I approved of my daughter hanging around his. I have studied both the Quran & Hadith, and Arabic culture. As with most things, there is stuff I appreciate, and stuff I don't like.

It's good to hear this.

You have asked why the hatred towards Islam. I think it is a disingenuous question -- the answer should be obvious even to you. First of all, you say that countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordon, Malaysia, etc., are fine countries. That is just nonsense. Not only would I not want to live in such dictatorships, but they are not even truly benevolent dictatorships -- the poor suffer.

I'm Malaysian . So I can only speak of Malaysia(in my POV, of course).
With recent political scenario, I can see some quick maneuver from the governing parties. A good sign, at least for me.
But I don't feel like labeling Malaysians are ruled by dictators. You see, we're quite in freedom to express our thoughts, with some limitions. But I do feel the limitation is quite needed at this moment as we're still a young country which is fragile and still looking to find our own identites. Some westerners I'd conversation with see those limitations as 'dictatorship' in minor and soft meaning. But hey! we're the one who borned, lived and most certainly will die here. I don't know how foreigners can still say Malaysia is ruled by dictator with their straight faces while they not even know how a country named Malaysia was borned.

Sory, I know this is nothing to do with religion in any means but, maybe I just need to express my thought.

A Muslim is better off living in Israel than any of those countries: not only would he be free to practice his religion, but his standard of living would be significantly higher. (One reason why Arabs in Israel do NOT emigrate to Islamic states.)

Sory if I'm being ignorant. Is any practising Muslim live in Israel right now? You see, with those news on world's media, I'm curious to know if they can even lived together in harmony.

But second, the greatest violence in the world is presently perpetrated presently by those identifying as Muslims. Not JUST that, but in ADDITION, they commit this violence IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

Hate to say this. But you're quite right.
I use the 'quite' word there because, they use Islamic brotherhood to fulfill their political agenda. Not that the commit violence in the name of Islam. If they rally a troop and ask them on the name of Islam to commit such violence, they'll fail. But if they rally in the name of Islamic bortherhood, then start to quote news of how Muslims were persecuted around the world, they might be successful(not that I imply Muslims are persecuted all around the world).

And not JUST THAT, but you just don't see moderate Muslims getting hot and bothered and protesting in the streets about it. You would think that such blasphemy, doing evil in the name of G-d, would be more of a concern.

That distinguished of how our modus operandi is differ from those extremist. If you can go to a Friday prayer, maybe you can listen of how the Imam calling all Muslims to not taking part of any violence which involve in killing innnocent people. But struggle to fight for our rights(country sovereignity, freedom of religion, etc) or to fight those mockery(from ignorant people which has their own agenda like the Fitna, etc) with not go against the Islamic teaching. Here in Malysia, Muslims are start to boycotting some Hoand products ( no offence to Holland people).

Oh! And soldiers who invaded your country is not concider as innocent . Maybe the word civilians would be more suitable

So if there are those who hate Islam, it is a sentiment that Muslims have brought upon their own culture and religion.

While this is true, but I'll not to put all blames on Muslims. I've my reasoning