Why this hate for Islam?

[Bookofknowledge]

First things first, she said she mispoke. I didn't, which you well know. And I hate because that is the appropriate response to one's enemy. The important question is "why are the Abrahamic faiths my enemy?" and the answer to that is because their collective holy books declare the will of their god to be world domination under his rule, whether under one face or another, and they have historically acted appropriately, and are still acting appropriately.

Now, to be completely honest I don't care nearly as much about Muslims or Jews as I do about Christians, because Christianity pretty much won, and Christianity specifically are those who did my ancestors and myself the most wrongs. I would just want the Muslims and the Jews to live in their historical lands and do their own thing. I support separate homelands for all peoples. The only problem is that I don't know how far I can trust any monotheism...monotheisms lead to mono-everything...monoculture, monogovernment, monopeople.

With the Christians it's personal. I would ostensibly support a separate Christian nation...but then I would want my heathen nation to wage war on the Christian nation. I have a meta-theory and a micro-theory about this.

My metatheory is pan-nationalism: I believe that groups sharing value-systems and beliefs should be able to live in separate homelands and pursue their own vectors of life. While I believe that most of these groups would be essentially ethno-cultural, I would just as much support any group that wished to live according to a different vision (people could have their hippie communes and capitalist democracies as they wished, but I wouldn't have to live there).

My microtheory is that my enemy is Christianity and their god, and that I wish everything that they have built to be thrown down (as they did to my ancestors), their holy things to be burnt (as they did to my ancestors), their holy places razed to the ground and holy groves raised in their place (as they did to my ancestors), and finally, the extinction of their faith until it finally is only traces in old books and archaeological remains (you get the idea).

Since their god happens to be the Muslim and Jewish god as well (as much the "Christian Identity" contingent might disagree), well, let's just say that just like all those Christians, Muslims, and Jews around the world who lump all other religions together into one category (infidel, gentile, pagan/Satanic), I lump you all together. You all sing the same refrain, "One God, One Way, OUR Way", and the only real difference between Islam and Christianity (as far as oppressive control of action and thought over as much of the world as they can) is who happened to win up to this moment in history. I have no illusions about the fact that Islam seems to be rallying, and I no more want the world remade in your image than I want to live in the world they remade in theirs.

Thank you for your response, I would like to ask more questions and clarify certain aspects of what you have written but I need some time, however I want to ask a quick question...

Aren't you being selfish, that you hate?

 

[Jebediah]

Thank you for your response, I would like to ask more questions and clarify certain aspects of what you have written but I need some time, however I want to ask a quick question...

Aren't you being selfish, that you hate?

Sure. What's wrong with being selfish? I think this might be one of those places where your expectation of a "one way" does not apply. I do not need the rhetoric of love to justify my wars, I see no reason to eschew hatred or selfishness or any other aspect of the human condition. There is wisdom to be found in all of the mysteries, and specific gods will guide those drawn to those mysteries into a relationship with them.

Your god wants everything done for him, not my gods. My gods teach me to reach beyond myself and accomplish great deeds, to make war upon my enemies and triumph, and to become a hero to my people. The greatest of my gods teaches me to do what it takes to get the job done, and once He was called the God of the Gallows, the God of the Spear, and the Grim God. He does not demand love or forgiveness or obedience; He demands victory!

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I am not sure if some people hate Islam because they studied the religion earnestly and make their conclusion from there, or they find that Islam, as a fast growing religion, is a threat to their faith and encroaching on their grounds.

Both. Also above underlined has been occurred in the history of mankind. Islam is all about hostile take over, has always been, and will always be, no matter how much tactics change...

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Sure. What's wrong with being selfish? I think this might be one of those places where your expectation of a "one way" does not apply. I do not need the rhetoric of love to justify my wars, I see no reason to eschew hatred or selfishness or any other aspect of the human condition. There is wisdom to be found in all of the mysteries, and specific gods will guide those drawn to those mysteries into a relationship with them.

Your god wants everything done for him, not my gods. My gods teach me to reach beyond myself and accomplish great deeds, to make war upon my enemies and triumph, and to become a hero to my people. The greatest of my gods teaches me to do what it takes to get the job done, and once He was called the God of the Gallows, the God of the Spear, and the Grim God. He does not demand love or forgiveness or obedience; He demands victory!

Thank you for your response... It's intresting to read your response and I can understand what you are saying but I need some time to fully understanding your method of victory.

What I understood so far is that I will perish some day and to my knowledge there isn't a medicine made to keep one alive forever meaning you will perish some day too unless technology changes...

Gone are the nations of past and Gone will be the nations who yet to come... Many heros came and perished in history, I am wondering what type of hero you would want to become by waging wars?

The one who doesn't understand Love, Forgiveness, obiedence will end-up killing innocents too...

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Ya Ya Ya, they killed 3-5 thousand innocents,

Innocents pull night patrols with AK-47s lurking in the dark corners?

You killed 100,000+ innocents...

Al-Queda did, we are not Al-Queda

It's even...lets go home...

Soon enough. When you realize war in Iraq is not religiously motivated.

Now, to be completely honest I don't care nearly as much about Muslims or Jews as I do about Christians, because Christianity pretty much won, and Christianity specifically are those who did my ancestors and myself the most wrongs.

So you refer and own local ancestors, direct family line? Pre-islamic pagans and sorcerers suffered in the hands of Muhammadans wouldn't matter much...

If one has scholarly debates about Islam than may be they should raise these with those who have knowledge rather than Slander and cause animosity.

His post is riddled with errors but you had to demonstrate the effect... We will get to his post soon enough...

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Innocents pull night patrols with AK-47s lurking in the dark corners?

Al-Queda did, we are not Al-Queda

Begin your research.

How can you be Al-Queda they only killed 3-5 thousand innocents - Correct?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Your god wants everything done for him, not my gods. My gods teach me to reach beyond myself and accomplish great deeds, to make war upon my enemies and triumph, and to become a hero to my people. The greatest of my gods teaches me to do what it takes to get the job done, and once He was called the God of the Gallows, the God of the Spear, and the Grim God. He does not demand love or forgiveness or obedience; He demands victory!

Here, book of knowledge, you can experience his religion and understand where he is coming from very well at this link...

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

How can you be Al-Queda they only killed 3-5 thousand innocents - Correct?

It seems like you need to do some research... Al-Queda existed before and after Sept.11 ... You can beat this dead horse as much as you want.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

I am going to ask you again "Why do you hate?"

I don't hate the concept of any faith; I think what people hate are the fundamentalists in these religions. They persecute those who are not "true followers" of the faith, and ridicule those who do not adhere to any of its beliefs. When you have nations like Saudi Arabia who gives someone 80 lashes for having coffee with a female student that was not his wife, then I tend to take a sour look at certain people.

 

[uberd00b]

I certainly don't hate Islam or indeed any religion.

It absolutely appalls me that people would use these superstitions, that are obviously untrue, and do not intersect with reality on any meaningful level, as an excuse to hate, kill, and discriminate against one another.

Any glance at history will show that all of the major faiths have a huge amount of blood on their hands. They are not pretty and we have only recently managed to reign them in.

So please muslims do not feel should I direct a query at you that I am picking on Islam particularly, I'm an equal opportunities atheist. It's all nonsense that we're better off rid of.

 

[Jebediah]

Here, book of knowledge, you can experience his religion and understand where he is coming from very well at this link...

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com

As informed as usual, I see. Ah well, can't blame you for whistling in the dark.

My chief patron is Odin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin
http://alkman1.blogspot.com/2007/10/carl-gustav-jung-on-wotan.html

 

[Rasta]

I don't hate Muslims. I strongly dislike Islam. I don't blame ignorance. I do blame actions done in ignorance.

 

[Snowbunny]

hola

i think we must be very careful about religious hatred... on the one hand it is very easy to fall into a trap where we irrationally hate and become prejudiced against people because of their religion. but on the other hand it is easy for people to avoid asking hard questions or coming to difficult conclusions, by simply hiding behind the mask of religious hatred.

it is not hatred to say hamas is a terrorist group, the way they act makes them a terrorist group. it is likewise not hatred to give serious consideration to the question of whether islam as a religion brings more violence into the world. and it is important that we continue to ask difficult questions...

i think it is good every once in a while to step back and question our own intentions with regard to asking about other religions... if we do not like our intentions then we should adjust them

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Bookofknowledge]

It seems like you need to do some research... Al-Queda existed before and after Sept.11 ... You can beat this dead horse as much as you want.

Western world and so called Israel weapons and missiles also existed before and after Sept 11, which murdered innocents in the name of acheiving greater good.

Tell me if both parties murdered innocents what is the difference between an Well Advanced Forces and Terrorists?

Don't be uninformed while communicating. You Creator is Alive and Watching.

 

[Rasta]

Western world and so called Israel weapons and missiles also existed before and after Sept 11, which murdered innocents in the name of acheiving greater good.

Which event are you speaking of specifically?

Tell me if both parties murdered innocents what is the difference between an Well Advanced Forces and Terrorists?

How do you define innocent?

Don't be uninformed while communicating.

This is good advice for you too.

You Creator is Alive and Watching.

Or not.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Which event are you speaking of specifically?

How do you define innocent?

This is good advice for you too.

Or not.

I understand your questions are valid however my state of mind is somewhere else.. give me some time and I will express my thoughts.

 

[Rasta]

I understand your questions are valid however my state of mind is somewhere else.. give me some time and I will express my thoughts.

No worries.

 

[GeratTzedek]

First, let me say up front that I hate neither Muslims nor Islam. I have stated many times that Islam has great potential. I have had Muslim friends who I considered quality people. My daughter was very close friends with two Muslim sisters most of her life, and our families got along well because of our shared values: decency, fairness, kindness, honesty, modesty, chastity... Their father very much approved of his daughters hanging around my daughter, just as I approved of my daughter hanging around his. I have studied both the Quran & Hadith, and Arabic culture. As with most things, there is stuff I appreciate, and stuff I don't like.

You have asked why the hatred towards Islam. I think it is a disingenuous question -- the answer should be obvious even to you. First of all, you say that countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordon, Malaysia, etc., are fine countries. That is just nonsense. Not only would I not want to live in such dictatorships, but they are not even truly benevolent dictatorships -- the poor suffer. A Muslim is better off living in Israel than any of those countries: not only would he be free to practice his religion, but his standard of living would be significantly higher. (One reason why Arabs in Israel do NOT emigrate to Islamic states.)

But second, the greatest violence in the world is presently perpetrated presently by those identifying as Muslims. Not JUST that, but in ADDITION, they commit this violence IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. And not JUST THAT, but you just don't see moderate Muslims getting hot and bothered and protesting in the streets about it. You would think that such blasphemy, doing evil in the name of G-d, would be more of a concern.

So if there are those who hate Islam, it is a sentiment that Muslims have brought upon their own culture and religion.

 

[Meshavrischika]

They're just the flavor of the decade (in the past it was the Jews who the world hated, then the gays, the athiests and so on... it'll pass and people will decide they hate someone else soon)

 

[Jebediah]

First, let me say up front that I hate neither Muslims nor Islam. I have stated many times that Islam has great potential. I have had Muslim friends who I considered quality people. My daughter was very close friends with two Muslim sisters most of her life, and our families got along well because of our shared values: decency, fairness, kindness, honesty, modesty, chastity... Their father very much approved of his daughters hanging around my daughter, just as I approved of my daughter hanging around his. I have studied both the Quran & Hadith, and Arabic culture. As with most things, there is stuff I appreciate, and stuff I don't like.

You have asked why the hatred towards Islam. I think it is a disingenuous question -- the answer should be obvious even to you. First of all, you say that countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordon, Malaysia, etc., are fine countries. That is just nonsense. Not only would I not want to live in such dictatorships, but they are not even truly benevolent dictatorships -- the poor suffer. A Muslim is better off living in Israel than any of those countries: not only would he be free to practice his religion, but his standard of living would be significantly higher. (One reason why Arabs in Israel do NOT emigrate to Islamic states.)

But second, the greatest violence in the world is presently perpetrated presently by those identifying as Muslims. Not JUST that, but in ADDITION, they commit this violence IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. And not JUST THAT, but you just don't see moderate Muslims getting hot and bothered and protesting in the streets about it. You would think that such blasphemy, doing evil in the name of G-d, would be more of a concern.

So if there are those who hate Islam, it is a sentiment that Muslims have brought upon their own culture and religion.

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Not that I disagree. I just think that particular knife cuts both ways, and that plenty of people would say that exact phrase applies to Jews as well.
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