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We believe what God tells us in Creation, so with what we know from Creation we accept evolution as God's creative process and realise Genesis could not possibly be literal history, but rather a poem conveying the message that God created everything, but not HOW He created.kiwichristian said:Hey all,
Why is it that some people believe that God was a guiding force behind evolution?
If people are christians, and they believe the bible, surely they would believe what the bible says??
This thing about theistic evolution really confuses me
Read this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t48672kiwichristian said:It supports a flat earth?
I dont know. Where in the bible does it say that?
I've seen that before and here is the counter-arguement:kiwichristian said:Anyway, heres a link from a site that goes against Theistic Evolution. What do you think?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c015.html
Actually, most Christians accept evolution.Most Christians are uncomfortable with purely naturalistic evolution. The solution for many Christians has been to adopt theistic evolution, which is based on the idea that the God of the Bible employed an evolutionary process to create.
Since when has God done what we expect Him to do. Would any sane person have chosen a shepherd boy to fight a giant? No, but God did.Any listing of the attributes of God would include omnipotence, omniscience, loving, gracious, possessing forethought, and the desire for a relationship with man. Would this kind of God have used long ages of evolutionary development?
Actually, I think most TE's believe Gd created the universe to create itself, so God did not bring all the chemicals together, the universe did it itself.Theistic evolution looks back to about four billion years ago when God brought just the right chemicals into the right order to form a single cell. This multiplied and mutated for over three billion years until He either allowed or caused them to evolve into two-celled organisms, then about 500 million years ago into marine invertebrates, such as clams, snails, trilobites, and flatworms.
So? This is how it is today, why not back then?Over hundreds of millions of years, many types went extinct and were never seen by man. But the flatworm begat fish, then amphibians, then reptiles and birds, then mammals. They would live and die, mutate and go extinct. Some would eat the others. All were subject to disease and starvation. Some, like the dinosaurs, also passed into oblivion before man arrived. The fossil record provides ample evidence of their existence, suffering, and extinction long ago.
How do you know they had no soul?Just a few million years ago there were upright-walking apes, then Homo erectus, and then Neandertals, "animals" who made tools, employed agriculture, utilized both religious implements and weapons, suffered from disease and malnutrition. They enjoyed music and flowers and art, but had no soul.
No, evolution created man, so God created humans indirectly.Then, just a few thousand years ago, God made true man. He either created man from scratch or took a sub-human animal and gave it an eternal spirit. As He finished His work, He called it all "very good." God's creation could finally recognize His grace, respond in love, and give God the glory due His name.
God said it was so it must have been.But was it all "very good"? Beneath Adam's feet would lay the fossils of billions of animals, many giving evidence of traumatic death. And who were the long extinct dinosaurs? Had God been experimenting, trying to find something He could call His image? Did He not know what He wanted? Was He not powerful enough to create it without so many missteps? If the creation and redemption of man was His purpose, why did He wait so long?
I never understand how someone can deny Natural Selection.And why did He use the process of the extinction of the unfit to create? His very nature ultimately impelled Him, the Fit, to die for the unfit. In redemption, He would strongly denounce personal works as a method of salvation. Would He have used survival of the fittest as His method of creation and accept "glory" from His creation on this basis?
So now you're telling God how he should have created. Well, the writer must know better than God then.No, the righteous God revealed in Scripture would create just as described in Genesis One. Creation would be orderly and wise, with man and his walk with God the result. It would be deathless and sinless, compatible with the all powerful, Holy, life-giving Creator's label as "very good."
Actually, most Christians accept evolution.
wblastyn said:I've seen that before and here is the counter-arguement:
http://freespace.virgin.net/karl_and.gnome/10dangers.htm
So now you're telling God how he should have created. Well, the writer must know better than God then.
God said it was so it must have been.
Badfish said:At least this view is consistent with the word, you by accepting evolution with nothing Holy to back it up is telling and teaching other Christians that YOU seem to know how God created, hell even the atheists agree creation cannot be falsified, man you need to take a step back and pray and make sure you're not teaching heresy, if God didn't tell you, then you have no reason to promote TE.[/quopte]
We know part of how God created because we can see it in His creation.
Yes, creation cannot be falsified, but creationism can and has been.
The rolling the eyes was for the irony in the statement, the article was saying God made missteps if He used evolutionl and I pointed out God made missteps in creationism by creating animals to help Adam but they were unsuitable.You roll your eyes at the bible, and again fail to show the fruit of the Spirit, why should anyone believe you?
God's Word is not always literal, He uses metaphors to describe Himself even, He says he is fire, a storm, etc. You don't literally believe God is fire or a storm now do you?So here we have you contradicting yourself, by your logic here, if God said it was so it must have been, God said the bible was inspired, so it must be so right? God said that he created in 6 days, so it must be so right?
Why are you incapable of knowing the difference between non-literal and untrue?
Creationism doesn't make sense at all, why would a all-powerful God need to rest, why did he create man, then animals as his helper, but because they were unsuitable he created woman (oh but wait, Genesis 1 says God created animals first then man and woman at the same time, hmm).
It's only in America and "Americanized" countries such as the UK that there are a lot of creationists, but anywhere else they are a minority, in countries such as Sweden you'd be laughed at even by Christians if you said you were a creationist.Badfish said:Really? Got some official statistics?
Last I saw 57% of Catholics believed in evolution, and Catholicism is the major representative of Christians, followed closely by protestants whos evolution believing percentage would probably be pretty low.
We know part of how God created because we can see it in His creation.
Badfish said:Right kiwi, it is interesting to note that Gen 1 and 2 are compatible, it was explained elsewhere, preserving the possibility that the bible is inspired and spontaneous creation was Gods method.
Badfish said:Right kiwi, it is interesting to note that Gen 1 and 2 are compatible, it was explained elsewhere, preserving the possibility that the bible is inspired and spontaneous creation was Gods method.
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