Why the Bible?

[dawnsday]

and there is lots of evidence to support the scriptures as an accurate picture of the times

the accuracy of people, places, events all coincide with what history records

actually, i don't think that we can say any of it is accurate.

For all we know The Roman Colloseum was their version of a gay nightclub. I mean, all we can do is take what we know (bones, evidence left behind) and combine it with what we are told and make the best conclusion we can.

Which is why in cases such as the bible or other religious documents, you can only go so far with it on an intellectual level. There sure is evidence for all these books, but there sure is evidence against them as well. There comes a point where it is a matter of faith. I don't believe it because of the evidence, I believe it because based on what I know, my gut tells me it's true.

Just as an Atheist doesn't NOT believe in God because there is evidence showing He does not exist, but because based on what they know, their gut just tells them he does not.

God is not a subject to be proven. God is a subject of faith. And arguing semantics gets you nowhere.

 

[dimwhitt]

when history finds evidence of people, places and events that correspond with what the scripture says that is great confirmation that it is accurate

 

[dimwhitt]

if guts were all we had to tell us what truth was the whole world be be upside down

guts dont determine truth facts do
and faith that is not founded on facts (be that atheistic or theistic) is utter foolishness

not to say ur a fool - i do not mean that in any way

 

[dawnsday]

when history finds evidence of people, places and events that correspond with what the scripture says that is great confirmation that it is accurate

it may be evidence that it is accurate but it is not confirmation. it may be personal confirmation, but it is not scientific confirmation, which, again, is why trying to use science to prove God doesn't work.

on a personal note, regarding the faith portion of this: it seems silly to use something God created (science) to prove there is a God.

 

[dimwhitt]

i understand where ur coming from
but facts are important to faith
and confirmation is a step towards confidence

in my own christian walk i was very unhappy until i recognized the history and reality of what really happened in the bible and how "history books" confirm that

Christians are told that they are
wrong about science
wrong about morals
wrong about politics
wrong about history
and the point we might not be wrong about any of it and there is good evidence to "prove" it

 

[dawnsday]

i understand where ur coming from
but facts are important to faith
and confirmation is a step towards confidence

in my own christian walk i was very unhappy until i recognized the history and reality of what really happened in the bible and how "history books" confirm that

Christians are told that they are
wrong about science
wrong about morals
wrong about politics
wrong about history
and the point we might not be wrong about any of it and there is good evidence to "prove" it

of course we should research and find evidence and discuss, it would be irresponsible not to. but evidence is a long way away from proof. and consider this: if God was going to allow us to "prove" him true, why does he mention our need to have faith so often?

i can't prove to you that i love my daughter. even my actions aren't enough, because i could be different in private, but i know very well i love my daughter and i don't need to prove it. same goes for God, I can't prove to you I love Him and feel loved by Him, but I still know it's true.

 

[kompia]

Why the bible? Because it stands up as a historical record, it stands as messages from God, where its promises (thousands) are being kept and are still applicable today. And to date, still no one is able to claim what the bible says is false or unreal.

 

[dawnsday]

Why the bible? Because it stands up as a historical record, it stands as messages from God, where its promises (thousands) are being kept and are still applicable today. And to date, still no one is able to claim what the bible says is false or unreal.

what do you mean, people claim it's false all the time. they do discovery channel specials on it. there is evidence against when it was written, who wrote it, etc.

 

[KazeNoKoe]

I agree with Dawnsday to some extent.

The hypothesis that God exists is not scientific because it isn't testable, it isn't falsifiable and doesn't produce any prediction. From that it follows that no evidence can be presented in favor of it (otherwise it would be scientific) and the reasons one may have to believe in God are psychological in nature.

One born in Italy is probably going to be Catholic, one born in the USA probably protestant, one born in Greece a lot of time ago would believe in Zeus. The place where we are born, the time and our upbringing are the only deciding factors.

On the other hand, it is true that atheism is actually based on evidence: no evidence, no belief. No evidence of dragons or faeries, no belief in them. No evidence of 10 millions on my bank account, no belief I can get a new house. It is the default stance any rational person holds about any kind of claim, only when it's about religion we call it atheism.

 

[weakestlink33]

Why did I choose the Bible? Mainly because I chose Christianity. I still believe those other books still have a lot of merit - well, most of the ones you listed - and I believe that most of them still reveal a lot of truth's about human nature and even God himself. Still, the Bible is placed on a higher pedestal in my opinion, because I believe it was divinely inspired. Because I am a Christian, it is a huge part of my faith that the Bible was divinely inspired, because without the Bible's divine inspiration the Christian faith would become hollow. No, there is no way to really prove the Bible is any different than those books you listed, but I believe it is different just because I am a Christian and this is just a matter of faith.

 

[kompia]

Hello Dawnsday,

Yes, discovery or national geographic channel did make a few special episodes like "Da Vinci Code" and "the book of Judas". However, you should understand that doesn't mean that discovery channel claiming that the bible is false. It's just showing that there is an existence of such books. Discovery channels also do a special on "Declassifying Da Vinci Code" which totally rule out Da Vinci Code as a book created by a man to try to make himself a royalty. Just that.

Book of Judas is a record of an author writing trying to portray Jesus as instructing Judas to betray Him, which does not set straight with other books. Book of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John which accurately describe the events even though written by different authors.

In another word, there are many people out there trying to make the bible looks false by adding up more story or twist into it.

Just by using the current available books in the bible, can you prove anything said in there is false. To my limited knowledge, none.

 

[MichaelJacksonFan1]

This will get deleted pretty quick but the bible is mythology and complete and utter nonsense. People who believe what it says should read the entire original version to see just how horribly cruel and mythogolical it is.

 

[dawnsday]

Hello Dawnsday,

Yes, discovery or national geographic channel did make a few special episodes like "Da Vinci Code" and "the book of Judas". However, you should understand that doesn't mean that discovery channel claiming that the bible is false. It's just showing that there is an existence of such books. Discovery channels also do a special on "Declassifying Da Vinci Code" which totally rule out Da Vinci Code as a book created by a man to try to make himself a royalty. Just that.

Book of Judas is a record of an author writing trying to portray Jesus as instructing Judas to betray Him, which does not set straight with other books. Book of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John which accurately describe the events even though written by different authors.

In another word, there are many people out there trying to make the bible looks false by adding up more story or twist into it.

Just by using the current available books in the bible, can you prove anything said in there is false. To my limited knowledge, none.

i wasn't saying the bible IS false, but the post stated there were no claims that it was...i was just saying lots of people claim that.

digression though...didn't some of the authors disagree on how Judas died? if i'm right, (and i may not be) it shows that perception influences the bible and one may hear one thing and another another thing, being as not all were witness to all events.

 

[Divinah]

Hi, my name is DVNA. and this is a nutshell version.

Well, I was raised Christian...then in my pseudointellectualistic teens...I decided I was not.

I pursued every means of the world and flesh...What's funny is, I almost made a deal with God in that I was going to turn my back on him for a little while...then became very brave in my own flesh to the point of being Satanic. I never really worshiped Satan because, c'mon...HA! But I wanted to be rebellious and controversial...and in doing so, was serving the enemy, was becoming satanic and leading others in that way in that I had a real gift of Poetry and all of it was dark...all burned today. People to this day, see me and tell me they still have my poems, I shudder and pray for them, ask them to destroy them and praise God for my deliverance.

I was locked up when I was 16 or so. Everyone went to church on Sundays to get out. I did not because I respected the church and was not a believer. Every week I was urged to so one day, I went. On this day, I saw people I wouldn't have ever believed in Juvie being saved. I looked around to laugh with some of my harder friends and they were all balling, on knees, hands lifted.

Church was closed down and we were all sent to our dorms. That's how much of an inmpact was made. The Officials couldn't contain it, and they didn't know what to do.

Well, naturally...I knew something had happened that day. There were people coming in all day to debrief us, if you will, trying to find out...what was happening?

So, finally I excepted the challenge to start reading my Bible at the Book of John (new testament) and all the way around through. It was not long before I was the Holiest Rollin Juvenile Delinquent...But Salvation/accepting the Lord is the first step...then you look to growth, later comes a process of santification and these processes last your whole life. You learn eventually, how easy or hard they are is greatly dependant on you willingness to live in Obedience.

Nowadays when I see someone so stuck in all the Challenges of "what are God, the BIBLE...why should I care?" all that. I just wish they'd bless themselves and take that challenge.

You'll find the proof, evidence of the Lord...a desire to learn more and understand, revelation as you do. Seeds will be planted in you that may not take full flourish for years to come...but will.

The Lord and his Word are Alive and well...praise the Lord, it's really not that complex. Your here asking questions for a reason, I believe he'll make his intervention in your life. Don't try to make to much sense of it as you go...because his Glory, if your lucky will exceed you and your understanding...that's all the more how you'll know he's reall...ironically enough.

You see even Christians find it hard to stay in the Word daily and keep on track with a relationship with God as they should...But if you seek him daily...he will be revealed to you and become more real each day in your life than any of the people your asking about him today. YOU WILL BE a living, breathing testimony of him, by his Grace and Mercy. You will be his proof for others...not for the average Joe wanting answers to everything under the sun online, necessarily...but to those around you, who watch you excell in growth that is beyond YOU...And so, as you sit and debate with doubters online...It's not really a debate, just a precious hope that they will just receive and be blessed. Praise the Lord. ...Sorry if I rambled, hard to nutshell it.

Remember, say a prayer and read your Bible each day...ask him, not us. As he promises, he will show you great and unsearchable things you do not know.

GLORY TO JESUS!​