Why The Attack.....

[Reader Antonius]

...on Easter?

A Messianic Jew or Gentile (not sure which) related to me that Messianics have a charge to "tear down" pagan holidays like Easter.

Is this common in Messianic circles?

 

[Athaliamum]

This is a reminder that if you are not messianic only posts of a fellowship nature can be made.....

Why the coming in to our forum and challenging of every aspect of our faith?

that Messianics have a charge to "tear down" pagan holidays like Easter

Are you saying we should ignore the fact that pagan practices detract from God's ordained times?

 

[ChavaK]

This is a reminder that if you are not messianic only posts of a fellowship nature can be made.....

Why the coming in to our forum and challenging of every aspect of our faith?



Are you saying we should ignore the fact that pagan practices detract from God's ordained times?

I think he is asking an honest question. I saw the post
he mentions on another forum, and it was incredibly rude
and offensive.

I don't think he is challenging your faith, but responding
for an honest answer to the attack on his faith.

By the way, the question was posed by a Messianic Gentile, not
that it matters but because you were not sure...

 

[GuardianShua]

I think he is asking an honest question. I saw the post
he mentions on another forum, and it was incredibly rude
and offensive.

I don't think he is challenging your faith, but responding
for an honest answer to the attack on his faith.

By the way, the question was posed by a Messianic Gentile, not
that it matters but because you were not sure...

Can you post a link to that post so people can see what your talking about? KJV: Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
That is Paganism at work. That day, and word "Passover," was replaced with "Easter".

 

[ChavaK]

Can you post a link to that post so people can see what your talking about? KJV: Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
That is Paganism at work. That day, and word "Passover," was replaced with "Easter".

I'll find the link and post it; it is at CARM which is a nasty place
and I don't recommend it.
There was nothing wrong with the quote the person posted;
it was the manner it was delivered in.
No need to be offensive and insulting to Christians....

 

[A_Pioneer]

28 times the word is pascha, 27 to Passover, 1 time that unmentionable word. Seems to me to be an added word because somebody wanted to continue to do the day.
Man does unthinkable things to what started out as the word of God.

Shalom

 

[Athaliamum]

I think he is asking an honest question. I saw the post
he mentions on another forum, and it was incredibly rude
and offensive.

I don't think he is challenging your faith, but responding
for an honest answer to the attack on his faith.

By the way, the question was posed by a Messianic Gentile, not
that it matters but because you were not sure...

Oh, okay. It's just past threads and posts in this forum by this member normally haven't been honest and open but loaded, some times have even been obnocious - calling our belief in God being echad "tragic"...So from past behaviour I assumed it was along the same lines. But as long as it is an honest question and not from the presumtion of starting a debate, fair enough.

Knightwolflord if you would like to ask questions ask questions, but don't ask them in order to "correct" us when you don't like the answer, that is all I'm saying.

BTW what's CARM? And could you post a link so that we may understand the context of the question.

 

[GuardianShua]

28 times the word is pascha, 27 to Passover, 1 time that unmentionable word. Seems to me to be an added word because somebody wanted to continue to do the day.
Man does unthinkable things to what started out as the word of God.

Shalom

There are things in the KJV that are worse than that. I also study secret societies and symbolism. Before the Masonic Order and the papacy had a parting of the ways, the Masons were there main supporters. For those who don't know this, King James was the head of the masons.

 

[ChavaK]

BTW what's CARM? And could you post a link so that we may understand the context of the question.

CARM is the Chrsitian Apologetic Research Ministry.
It has a bunch of forums including one for Judaism
and one for Messianics.
It is full of hatred, vicious posts and not a pleasant place
to be.
I'll go over and get the link....

 

[ChavaK]

Here is the link, along with a copy of the post:

http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=93993


http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=93993 The Messianic Charge to Tear Down Pagan Forms of Worship (Christmas, Easter)
Deut 23:24
24. You shall not prostrate yourself before their gods, and you shall not worship them,
and you shall not follow their practices, but you shall tear them down
and you shall utterly shatter their monuments.

Be encouraged, as Easter approaches.
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torahboy: a superhero re-educating the masses about the Word of God

CARM is a Christian forum so this is pretty rude to start with.
Second, it may not look so bad, but if you have spent any time
over there, you get to learn the tenor of the posts and know
when someone is being offensive and viscous. I consider
this to be one of those posts....

 

[Reader Antonius]

Here is the link, along with a copy of the post:

http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=93993


http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=93993 The Messianic Charge to Tear Down Pagan Forms of Worship (Christmas, Easter)
Deut 23:24
24. You shall not prostrate yourself before their gods, and you shall not worship them,
and you shall not follow their practices, but you shall tear them down
and you shall utterly shatter their monuments.

Be encouraged, as Easter approaches.
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torahboy: a superhero re-educating the masses about the Word of God

CARM is a Christian forum so this is pretty rude to start with.
Second, it may not look so bad, but if you have spent any time
over there, you get to learn the tenor of the posts and know
when someone is being offensive and viscous. I consider
this to be one of those posts....

Yes that is the EXACT quote!

So you are a CARMite as well, eh?

God Bless you!

 

[Reader Antonius]

Oh, okay. It's just past threads and posts in this forum by this member normally haven't been honest and open but loaded, some times have even been obnocious - calling our belief in God being echad "tragic"...So from past behaviour I assumed it was along the same lines. But as long as it is an honest question and not from the presumtion of starting a debate, fair enough.

Knightwolflord if you would like to ask questions ask questions, but don't ask them in order to "correct" us when you don't like the answer, that is all I'm saying.

BTW what's CARM? And could you post a link so that we may understand the context of the question.

First of all I didn't say your belief in God as one was "tragic." I believe God is echad, and I pray the Shema often.

You should look at my post, assess who I was speaking to, and the context in which I was speaking.

In any case, I am not here to debate. I am simply here to discuss the seeming fact that Messianics decry Christian holidays like Pascha and the Nativity.

 

[visionary]

First of all I didn't say your belief in God as one was "tragic." I believe God is echad, and I pray the Shema often.

You should look at my post, assess who I was speaking to, and the context in which I was speaking.

In any case, I am not here to debate. I am simply here to discuss the seeming fact that Messianics decry Christian holidays like Pascha and the Nativity.

It is the Jewishness of the faith that we like to keep and the Romanism/paganism?? that we like to cleanse out.. tradition doesn't mean it is right. Study to show thou self approved of God.

 

[Yareach]

The Last Supper was a Passover and the early church recorded in scripture continued the practice (e.g. 1Co 5:8).

Significantly Easter/Passover was an early dispute within the church. e.g. Polycarp continued the 14th practice, as well as the churches of Asia minor, as they affirmed this was the practice passed down to them by John (who he was a disciple of) as well as the other apostles (c. AD 180; 1.569 "Ante-Nicene Church Fathers). Polycrates emphatically held the same position (8.773, 8.744 "Ante-Nicene Church Fathers). In good fashion the churches of Asia minor who held this position were excommunicated by Victor the bishop of Rome (only to be rescinded later). Like many things the eventual stance was not to do so as/with the Jews to further distinguish the church.

People can do as they wish of course. But there is no teaching in the New Testament about Easter as a distinct practice on different days with bunnies and eggs (as is common in American churches). As Messianics we choose to follow the example of our Lord which included wine, breaking of bread, reclining at the table, singing of the hymn (hallel) and so forth. Which are not all elements of Passover, but specifically a Jewish Seder.

 

[Yareach]

I am simply here to discuss the seeming fact that Messianics decry Christian holidays like Pascha and the Nativity.

If you are asking why, that is fine for this forum.

If it is a debate or questioning, then it should go in the debate forum.

 

[visionary]

KingWolfLord Do you wish to debate this?

 

[Reader Antonius]

KingWolfLord Do you wish to debate this?

No. I said I was here to discuss the fact that many Messianics are decrying Pascha during this season of Lent.

 

[Reader Antonius]

No. I said I was here to discuss the fact that many Messianics are decrying Pascha during this season of Lent.

BTW, concerning the hat picture......

Isn't that Shannyn Sossamon???

 

[visionary]

That is our right.

 

[Reader Antonius]

That is our right.

Obviously it is your right to decry Pascha, but I want to probe the reasonings behind this.

It is called discussion.