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Why the Adventist fixation with Ellen White has allowed evil...

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She said it herself that we must learn the truth of the Bible first, yet we could not help ourselves in elevating Ellen White to the point that others could see we had made her the focus of our beliefs instead of the scriptures first and foremost. Adventist allowed the haters and enemies of God to stream into the wide breach of out of context quotations, lauding of praise and exaltation on the person rather than the truth given, and extremism in minor issues.

Take the case in point on Adventist who to this day see it a sin to have a bicycle, instead of seeing the context which was indulgence in a unneeded expesive extravegance for that time. Here is a excellent explanation:


In Testimonies for the Church, volume 8, pages 50-53, is recorded a portion of a letter addressed to the Battle Creek church in 1894. It was a letter of warning and reproof sent by Ellen White from Australia. One section of the letter deals with bicycles. Reproof was being sent because some of the members of the church had purchased bicycles. On the surface it seems rather strange that such a matter should be considered important enough for a prophet to deal with, and doubly odd when we notice that the things mentioned had been specifically revealed in vision. What was wrong with owning a bicycle? Does it mean that Seventh-day Adventists should never own bicycles? If not, why not?

The background is this: In 1894 the modern version of the bicycle was beginning to be manufactured, and there was a considerable fad to get the bicycles, not for the purpose of economical transportation, but simply to be in style, to parade about town, or to engage in bicycle races. Frank Tripp, in an article called, "When All the World Went Wheeling," written in 1951, describes the bicycle craze of the nineties in these words:
"Toward the end of the last century the American people were swept with a consuming passion which left them with little time or money for anything else.. What was this big new distraction? For an answer the merchants had only to look out the window and watch their erstwhile customers go whizzing by. America had discovered the bicycle, and everybody was making the most of the new freedom it brought.. The bicycle began as a rich man's toy. Society and celebrity went awheel..

"The best early bicycle cost $150, an investment comparable to the cost of an automobile today. Those were the days when $100 a month was an excellent wage, when a good suit cost S15 and meals were a quarter. Every member of the family wanted a 'wheel,' and entire family savings often were used up in supplying the demand."

In the light of this brief history, Ellen White's statements have real significance. "There seemed to be a bicycle craze. Money was spent to gratify an enthusiasm.. A bewitching influence seemed to be passing as a wave over our people there . to invest their time and money in gratifying supposed wants.. The example will be followed, and while hundreds are starving for bread, while famine and pestilence are seen and felt, . shall those who profess to love and serve God act as did the people in the days of Noah, following the imagination of their hearts?"-Testimonies, vol. 8, p. 51.
 

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Ho now Reddog you going to upset the EGW said it so I believe it mentality.......
You are right when some Adventist realise its not about EGW its not even about the Bible (the folks who killed Jesus knew their bible, what did He tell them 'Search the scripture for in them ye think ye have eternal life'). Its ALL about Jesus, maybe we will get somewhere.
 
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Ho now Reddog you going to upset the EGW said it so I believe it mentality.......
You are right when some Adventist realise its not about EGW its not even about the Bible (the folks who killed Jesus knew their bible, what did He tell them 'Search the scripture for in them ye think ye have eternal life'). Its ALL about Jesus, maybe we will get somewhere.

Well I would say God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ as many people declare they follow Christ and reject God. But continuing on my line of thought, Ellen White spoke strongly against any uplifting or fixation on her. She knew the dangers and the evil it could cause and her fears were well founded as to this day many Adventist only see Ellen White and forget the truth was given to her, she was not the source but the conveyor of what was given. Both she and James White knew it and worked ceaselessly to keep the Adventist brethren from looking to her instead of the source. Ellen White specifically told the church not to use her as their source of truth, but to study and learn from the truths from the bible:

Ellen White herself said: "Let all prove their positions from the Scriptures and substantiate every point they claim from the revealed Word of God." To the delegates of the General Conference in 1901, she said, "Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never [sic] quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. When you take the Bible and make that your food, and your meat, and your drink, and you make that the elements of your character, when you can do that you will know better how to receive some counsel from God. But here is the Word, the precious Word, exalted before you today. And don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' [sic]—'Sister White said this,' and 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.'..."

"...The final court of appeal must always be the Bible.
This was the strong conviction of her husband James White who wrote: "There is a class of persons who are determined to have it that the Review and its conductors make the views of Mrs. White a test of doctrine and Christian fellowship. . . . What has the Review to do with Mrs. White's views? The sentiments published in its columns are all drawn form the Holy Scriptures.

No writer of the Review has ever referred to them as authority on any point. . . . It's motto has been, 'The Bible, and the Bible alone, the only rule of faith and duty.'. . .

"Every Christian is therefore duty bound to take the Bible as the perfect rule of faith and duty. He should pray fervently to be aided by the Holy Spirit in searching the Scriptures for the whole truth, and for his whole duty. He is not at liberty to turn from them to learn his duty through any of the gifts. We say that the very moment he does, he places the gifts in a wrong place, and takes an extremely dangerous position."

He could see that, very early in Adventism, some were inclined to give her writings an authority over and above the Scriptural authority for the work of a prophet. "They conclude that if it be true that God is reviving some of the gifts, 'for the comfort of his people, and correct those who err from Bible truth.' That all errors would at once be corrected by these gifts, and the church be saved the trouble of searching the Word for truth to expose error. . . . They would put the gifts where they do not belong. . . . The revival of any, or all of the gifts, will never supersede the necessity of searching the Word to learn the truth."...."

"...the Bible is its own interpreter and every Christian is free to study the Bible (guided by the Holy Spirit) to find truth for themselves. The following points support James White in his stand:

1. Jesus left a promise to His Church. "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." ( John 14:25-26)
2. Recognising this point and practicing it is part of being Protestant. The Catholic Church tried to impose upon Christians the role of the pope as the infallible interpreter of Scripture. This concept was rejected by Protestants, because it violated the principle of sola Scriptures. Besides, once you have any external authority telling you what the Bible means, you make that authority more powerful than the Bible itself.
3.The Bible is a completed book. Hebrews 1:1 gives the reason for this, "In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son. . . . " The generation of Jesus' day were taught by Christ and individuals wrote down what they had learned. Jesus was the fullest, most complete revelation of God. Nothing that comes after Him will ever add to or eclipse the revelation of God in Him. All that comes after will be but a reflection of the light that shone through Him. Therefore the work of prophets is to call people back to study and obey that final, complete, revelation in Jesus. The work of prophets is to point out duties already revealed and neglected...."excerpted from MORE THAN A PROPHET ... by Graeme Bradford.
 
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Well I sure hope 'bikes' are not frowned upon in heaven--lol. Ahh--our Harley scoot then would be a total abomination!! rofl

I think as long as we dont make it a obsession, more important than or come between us and God we are fine.......
 
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Anyone who reads ellen white's writings must bear in mind the context of which she's writing. This has caused alot of confusion and disagreements among people, especially people who i shall say, don't bother to find out more about what she means but just take the first known admonition and applies a "thus saith ellen white". In my contact, i see this attitude in SOME older adventists. A good thing is that the new generation don't follow their attitude. The bad thing is, this new generation doesn't even care about ellen white. This is probably because they are so [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed off with this attitude that they used to get when they were younger especially and want to rebel against it by not having anything to do with ellen white.
My view is that we must have a balanced view of ellen white. We must rightly divide what is true and applicable for our time when we read her writings. We must neither put her on a higher pedestal than the bible nor neglect her writings as they were specially addressed first in benefit to the adventist church.
BTW, here's a very good link. It's the EGW summit of 2005. In case some of you haven't heard/viewed it. http://ellenwhitesummit.foxyresearch.com/
 
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