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I know what you mean. God and Satan seem awful chummy in Job. Hanging out on the patio together, doing tequila shots, inventing ways to make Job miserable and betting on how soon he cracks.Why exactly would an angel decide to stand in the way of God, to fight Him in a war that the angel knows would be completely unwinable? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Further, why would this angel be allowed back into Heaven, and instead of God doing anything about it, God simply asks, "Where have you been?"
I know what you mean. God and Satan seem awful chummy in Job. Hanging out on the patio together, doing tequila shots, inventing ways to make Job miserable and betting on how soon he cracks.
Whats wrong with touching a woman you love in an intimate fashion?I love my girl friends, and that love is called friendship, but if I touch them in a defiling way, that is wrong. Who am I to touch another member of my own sex that way and still call it ok? Should I then run out into the streets proclaiming that I touched a girl and I liked it?
Why exactly would an angel decide to stand in the way of God, to fight Him in a war that the angel knows would be completely unwinable? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Further, why would this angel be allowed back into Heaven, and instead of God doing anything about it, God simply asks, "Where have you been?"
I know what you mean. God and Satan seem awful chummy in Job. Hanging out on the patio together, doing tequila shots, inventing ways to make Job miserable and betting on how soon he cracks.
You have to understand that God knows all things. He knew that Lucifer would become corrupt. Once he did, he found that this was the perfect way to teach his children about right and wrong. If there was an opposition, then they would be given the chance to choose, instead of God telling us what to do. It is like a mother who home schools her children because she doesn not want them to experience pain. Is she truly giving them all that she wants for them? If they do not experience pain and suffering, then how will they learn to appreciate happiness?
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People can say God tells them anything.
Autumnleaf said:The objective direction from God is generally found in religious texts which have stood the test of time.
I contend that if homosexuals were given equal rights and accepted in society, they wouldn't have such parades either. Those parades are about raising their issues and heightening public awareness. Personally, I find them fairly distasteful, but it is a tactic to promote equality. If you think it is merely because homosexuals define themselves thusly, I rather think you're missing the point.
Consider, if YOU were a member of a villified minority with a history of being persecuted by an uncarring society that traditionally looked the other way, do you think possibly YOU might try to raise your public profile or social awareness? And if so, would that mean you therefore defined yourself by your membership in that minority?
As for your claim that there aren't "heterosexual parades", just what do you think New Orleans Mardis Gras and Rio's Carnivale are?
It's probably the best book for me to get the idea that Satan isn't against God, but God's agent to test mankind's devotion.
how can you say that Satan is his advocate? He tested God in the first place. But God had a better plan. He made Satan think that he was giving into his test, but actually, God had something big planned out for Job. After all this life passes, it won't matter how many wives we had, or how many riches we had, or even how many sheep we had in the pen. What will remain is the knowledge God provides us. And that is what God gave to him.
You can only see the pain that Job went through. Should you pitty the baby bird that the mother boots out the tree - yet see him flying high above his nest moments later? Should you curse the mother who sends her child to college - only to find that the child became a doctore - saving hundreds of lives? Would you curse God for giving his only son to die for our sins, just because he died a horrible death? - only to find that this was the greatest love God could have shown?
The message of life is LOVE! God loves us, and so sometimes, yes, we have to go through hurting times, but it is for our own good and for our experience, that we may excel to our greater purpose through Jesus!
But if you kept reading, God gave Job 10-fold what he had in the beginning.
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Do not feel like you are being dragged into this whole idea of Christianity. Immerse yourself in it. Take it in for all it's goodness. You do not need to spend one more day confused. What will make you happy is not just studying the scriptures, but allowing the scriptures to study you. The Holy Bible is the only book on earth that when you read it ... it reads you. Why? because it speaks to our heart and our spirit.
We were meant for more than this (meaning life). You were meant for more than this.
I know you feel content with the path that you have chosen, but you would not believe the joy that you experience when you choose to follow Jesus. He takes all the burdens you carry away from you. He takes all the shame that people have given you. Through life, all the people who have said, "Shame on YOU!" He comes along and says
"Shame off you."
Takes you in his arms and says, "I accept you as you are. Walk with me and I will show you greater things than you could ever know. Follow me."
no the chance to be with their heavenly father again. he brought them home. and as followers of Christ, this is all we strive for, is that God will bring us back to him. back home.
I'm always faintly amused that the people who not only justify, but somehow revel in God's destruction of children in the old testament because those children get to be with God all the sooner, are invariably the same people who decry abortion as abhorrent. I realise this is off topic, but it is one of those doublethink cases that always strikes me particularly hard.no the chance to be with their heavenly father again. he brought them home. and as followers of Christ, this is all we strive for, is that God will bring us back to him. back home.
I'm always faintly amused that the people who not only justify, but somehow revel in God's destruction of children in the old testament because those children get to be with God all the sooner, are invariably the same people who decry abortion as abhorrent. I realise this is off topic, but it is one of those doublethink cases that always strikes me particularly hard.
shame does horrible things in our lives. it stops us from having a relationship with god. because god is holy, we feel as though we havn't measured up, so we run away and continue doing these wrong things in our lives, not knowing the root of why we are doing them.
but Jesus came along and gave us the opportunity to release us from our shame.
we do not completely understand what happens to these souls after they were destroyed, but understand this. they were wicked people. not only were they disobeying god, but they were having intimate relationships with angels of god. and giving birth to giants. not only this but they were doing all manner of evil continually. they didn't feel shame. but this happened before christ came. today no matter how evil someone is, as long as they come to christ, they will not be destroyed.
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