Why Substitutionary Atonement?

[razzelflabben]

oi_antz, thanks for the reconciliation you offered, it speaks greatly of the work of the HS in the lives of HIs people.

Two glaring questions I still have for you...1. in light of Isaiah 53 and other passages, how can you say that God turned away out of grief and not out of wrath for the sin that Jesus bore on the cross? and 2. what makes you think that eternal separation from God is a punishment and not a consequence? If I understand what makes you think that, I can tailor my passage supports accordingly.

 

[hedrick]

Guys, lease keep away from commenting on each other.

 

[HebrewVaquero]

I'm not a big fan of "Substitutionary Atonement". However....
I do think God kept the Blood Covenant with Abraham & descendants.
I do think the descendants broke the Covenant.
But I'm not sure if God paid in Blood to directly atone for our breaking of the Covenant.
Or if God paid in Blood so He could break His half of the Covenant to allow Him to take us back.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I'm not a big fan of "Substitutionary Atonement". However....
I do think God kept the Blood Covenant with Abraham & descendants.
I do think the descendants broke the Covenant.
But I'm not sure if God paid in Blood to directly atone for our breaking of the Covenant.
Or if God paid in Blood so He could break His half of the Covenant to allow Him to take us back.

What do you mean by blood covenant? Abraham's blessings were because of his faith.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I am a little confused by substitutionary atonement and how we are looking at this.

We all have substitutionary atonement in Jesus Christ. It is not us, but Christ's righteousness that is given to us. He was the substitute who paid the penalty of the sins of mankind. So I'm a little confused.

 

[HebrewVaquero]

What do you mean by blood covenant? Abraham's blessings were because of his faith.

Genesis 15:9-21

 

[ToBeLoved]

Genesis 15:9-21

You said it was a covenant though. I do not see anything in your verses about a covenant between man (Abraham) and God in that verse.

Also, Merry Christmas to all! Have a wonderful day.

 

[HebrewVaquero]

You said it was a covenant though. I do not see anything in your verses about a covenant between man (Abraham) and God in that verse.

Also, Merry Christmas to all! Have a wonderful day.

Verse 18 specifically says "covenant".
If you want a eye opener; study the actual meaning of this type of covenant between men.

 

[hedrick]

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