WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - A REBUTTAL

[YouAreAwesome]

So much to say. I made this post that should answer most of my response

The Rule of faith and practice is not scripture "alone"

Your explanation precisely sums up how I think about Sola Scriptura. Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. The Spirit illuminates and leads us into all truth. The bible alone does not bring anyone to salvation. Only by the Spirit is a person awakened.

 

[JIMINZ]

Your explanation precisely sums up how I think about Sola Scriptura. Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. The Spirit illuminates and leads us into all truth. The bible alone does not bring anyone to salvation. Only by the Spirit is a person awakened.

Now that is just splitting hairs, does every single syllable need to spelled out for you people to understand, no wonder you don't with that kind of mentality.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Now that is just splitting hairs, does every single syllable need to spelled out for you people to understand, no wonder you don't with that kind of mentality.

Hairs that need to be split. The bible has become an idol for many. They turn to the bible rather than God. These are not the same thing!

I had a dream once that helped me. In the dream were two men, one to my right and one to my left. I turned to the man I trusted because of his great preaching. After turning I realised the other man was Jesus. I understood even in my dream how God was teaching me to trust Him over anything or anyone. That I was placing too much trust in people and other things.

Everyone thinks God needs the bible. But as @JAL has continually challenged, those who wrote the bible had no bible. And those before the bible only had the Voice. Those who trust in the written word are called out for it by Jesus. The irony in all of this is how the bible teaches us not to hold a Sole Scriptura view!

The bible is a signpost. And that's all it is. Nothing more.

 

[JIMINZ]

Hairs that need to be split. The bible has become an idol for many. They turn to the bible rather than God. These are not the same thing!

I had a dream once that helped me. In the dream were two men, one to my right and one to my left. I turned to the man I trusted because of his great preaching. After turning I realised the other man was Jesus. I understood even in my dream how God was teaching me to trust Him over anything or anyone. That I was placing too much trust in people and other things.

Everyone thinks God needs the bible. But as @JAL has continually challenged, those who wrote the bible had no bible. And those before the bible only had the Voice. Those who trust in the written word are called out for it by Jesus. The irony in all of this is how the bible teaches us not to hold a Sole Scriptura view!

The bible is a signpost. And that's all it is. Nothing more.

You got it all figured out.

 

[Albion]

Your explanation precisely sums up how I think about Sola Scriptura. Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. .

Another misconception about what Sola Scriptura means.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So then Abraham shouldn't have heeded any voices, then, as he had no Scripture to test them?

Why not there was no written Word only the spoken Word of God back in Abrahams day and to all those who believed and followed God.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And I suppose you think the

And I suppose the angels have to carry Bibles around to test any voice they might hear? Please tell me how the angels distinguish God's voice - reliably - from a possible counterfeit.

and why would the angels need to do that when they have direct face to face contact with God?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Looks like, on your assumptions, that Adam and Eve did the right thing, when they disobeyed the Voice of God in the garden. After all, they didn't have Scripture to test it.

What? Your posts seem to be making less sense as you continue writing them. How can they have the written Word of God when there was no written Word? or why would they need the written Word of God when they could speak face to face with God? You do know this was before the fall right?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And how stupid you apparently think Noah was - to spend all that time building an ark, with no Scripture to prove that building an ark was God's will!

Already answered see previous post. Before the written word was the spoken Word of God.

 

[JAL]

Why not there was no written Word only the spoken Word of God back in Abrahams day and to all those who believed and followed God.

So we celebrate Abraham for trying to kill his son, and we celebrate Moses and Joshua for trying to slaughter 7 nations, because they were faithful to obey voices that, according to you:
(1) Need to be tested by Scripture
(2) But couldn't be tested for lack of Scripture.

That's everybody's definition of a monster. You've just made out Abraham, Moses, and Joshua to be among the most horrible monsters in human history and, worse yet, you've opted to celebrate their bad behavior. Are you some kind of monster yourself?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You keep saying that your OP was an on-point rebuttal of my 16 points. I'll humor you momentarily on this allegation. You said:
Where in that statement is even one hypothetical scenario that runs contrary to the maxim? The maxim was proposed as an obvious counterexample to Sola Scriptura. All you've done is respond, "Sola Scriptura is true, not your maxim." But you've done nothing to discredit the maxim!

Nonsense. I posted the scriptures showing what God's Word says is the standard of all righteousness; GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS which are God's 10 commandments which give us the knowledge of Good and evil *PSALMS 119:172; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11 and 1 JOHN 3:4. These are God's MAXIMS to know what GOOD and EVIL are. You provide a maxim that is based on your thoughts and feelings that God says we should never trust *JEREMIAH 17:9-10. This is proof that your maxims are not God's and but simply your own based on a deceitful heart therefore are not true because you have no standard of what is right and what is wrong and you reject God's definition of such written through His Word and with his own finger.

You insinuate that the ten commandments tell us everything we need to know about righteousness. You mean like this command:
"Thou shall not kill." And yet Moses and Joshua purposed to slaughter 7 nations to lay hold of Canaan. And Heb 3 and 4 says they were right to do it. God's law is unchanging only in the sense that the spirit of the law - its underlying meaning - is love. But the specifics of how to fulfill it vary from situation to situation, individual to individual, and nation to nation - and it can even involve one nation slaughtering another (viz. going to battle against Hitler)

Soo what is your point here in relation to what I have posted? You have not made one except to talk about things no one is talking about which is unrelated to my post to you.

You claim that the ten commandments are God's written Word. Actually they began as God's spoken Word. They were authoritative because the Voice is authoritative in whatever it spoke TO ISRAEL. Again, God can speak a very different set of commands to me today because I'm not Israel. The written Word can't tell me the specifics of God's will FOR ME - it can only assure me that God's will is always love and righteousness, in the final analysis.

The name ISRAEL is only a name given by God to all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. In the new covenant Gods' ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the new covenant you have no part in God's new covenant promise. Gentiles are now grafted in. All scripture is written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world have come. God's LAW (10 Commandments) have the same role they always have. That is they give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS. With out God's 10 commandments we have no knowledge of what GOOD and EVIL is as they define these maxims *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. Your maxims on the other hand is based on a wicked and decietful heart that has no standard of right and wrong.

BOOM did you hear that dear friend? Your house of MAXIMS just came crashing down! Can you see your error in thinking here?

May you receive God's Word and be blessed, ignoring it does not make it disappear.

 

[Albion]

Why not there was no written Word only the spoken Word of God back in Abrahams day and to all those who believed and followed God.

1. Scripture is God's revelation given to all believers. Sola Scriptura does not include occasional apparitions, visions, or anything else received by a few individuals at times but which don't represent a guide to the beliefs that are expected of all believers.

2. The post I think you are referring to said this:

"Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. The Spirit illuminates and leads us into all truth."

Sola Scriptura does not deal with the ability or inability of any reader to understand the contents of the Bible.

It goes without saying that understanding the Bible is important if one is to benefit from the word, but that's not what the term refers to.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So much to say. I made this post that should answer most of my response

Sola Scriptura according to the Reformers meant Holy Scriptures are the only infallible rule to test truth claims. For those who are born again to believe God's Word and walk in His Spirit. The Word of God is the only test of what is right and what is wrong. The Spirit of God works through the Word of God not outside of it. I think this is what your not seeing in your OP you linked.

 

[Albion]

Already answered see previous post. Before the written word was the spoken Word of God.

Where can we read it for ourselves? That's right, it's not available outside of the pages of Scripture.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

1. Scripture is God's revelation given to all believers. Sola Scriptura does not include occasional apparitions, visions, or anything else received by a few individuals at times but which don't represent a guide to the beliefs that are expected of all believers.

2. The post I think you are referring to said this:

"Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. The Spirit illuminates and leads us into all truth."

Sola Scriptura does not deal with the ability or inability of any reader to understand the contents of the Bible.

It goes without saying that understanding the Bible is important if one is to benefit from the word, but that's not what the term refers to.

Actually that is not true. Sola scriptura is in reference to the Word of God being the final test of all truth. It does not teach or does it say anywhere that there is no divine revelation. Divine revelation is biblical (prophets) but must be tested against the scriptures. Of course Gods Spirit is needed to guide and teach us His Word no one has said any differntly have they? Yet this as well is dealt with in details through the scriptures alone. Sola scriptura to me simply means that the scripture alone are the final authority of God's truth and that is where we find our salvation. Hope this may clarify any misunderstandings.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where can we read it for ourselves? That's right, it's not available outside of the pages of Scripture.

Actually it is..GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc

 

[Albion]

Actually that is not true. Sola scriptura is in reference to the Word of God being the final test of all truth.

Obviously, it's not that. It doesn't give information on everything that exists or how to operate every piece of machinery, etc. See John 20:30-31.

Nor was that what the Reformers argued when speaking of Sola Scriptura.

Rather, it was that Scripture Alone contains all that is necessary for us to know and believe for our salvation. The Medieval Church that they contended against had made all manner of acts, rituals, devotions, and so on be things that would earn merit for the individual in God's eyes.
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It does not teach or does it say anywhere that there is no divine revelation.

Certainly not. It teaches that Holy Scripture IS divine revelation.

 

[Albion]

Actually it is..GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc

Last I checked, Genesis IS part of the Bible.

I said:

Where can we read it for ourselves? That's right, it's not available outside of the pages of Scripture.

 

[JAL]

You provide a maxim that is based on your thoughts and feelings...

Based on feeling? Suppose I claimed that God were evil. You'd rebut that, based on Scripture, right? And I'd agree with you. Because YOU said that if a belief is known to contradict Scripture, we should reject it. No complaint there. And you'd be right - and that's precisely why you should accept the maxim. Let me explain:

(1) If I say God is evil, you'd rightly reject my claim, based on Scripture.
(2) Likewise if I hold to a doctrine IMPLYING that God is evil, you'd rightly reject my claim, based on Scripture.

You claim:
(3) The maxim is false.

You just implied that God is evil! You therefore contradicted Scripture!

Why so? Because, for the millionth time, the maxim defines justice. If God punishes the innocent, He is evil. Suppose you tell your kid "Clean your room every day of the week." You mean 7 days but he sincerely believed that you meant "each weekday" and thus five days. He's acting with a clear conscience (which is what my maxim entails). He is therefore INNOCENT. Are you going to beat him with many stripes? That would make you evil! Anyone who dishonors the maxim is evil!

You also ignore the Scriptures that I cited in defense of the maxim (Romans 14 and 1Cor 8:1-13).

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Another misconception about what Sola Scriptura means.

We are discussing whether the scripture has a higher authority. Let's say a revelation from the Spirit helps us to change our understanding of the scripture. Does this place the revelation above the scripture? I would argue it does. In fact, I argue the Spirit is FAR superior to His history book. And there is a difference. No misconception brother.