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WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - A REBUTTAL

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The test isn't exegesis. Nowhere is exegesis mentioned as the test. What IS mentioned in such contexts is the anointing. IN other words, the test consists of checking whether the spirit in question agrees, or disagrees, with you already learned from the anointing by Direct Revelation.
Nonsense your just repeating yourself again. The test is the scriptures to know if someone has received a divine revelation from God or not. As shown in the OP already and elsewhere The scriptures teach that in the end days that there will be many false prophets and teachers that God has not sent even showing great signs and wonders that if it were possible could deceive Gods' very elect *MATTHEW 24:24; JEREMIAH 14:4; MATTHEW 24:11; LUKE 6:26; 2 PETER 2:1. We are told in 1 JOHN 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. How then do we try the Spirits to see if they are of God or not? JESUS says the WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIGHT *JOHN 6:63. God's Word is the very source of truth and tells us if someone has been given a direct revelation from God or not as it is written again; To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them *ISAIAH 8:20 and again And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him *1 JOHN 2:3-4. If there is no Word of God there is no standard has been given a direct revelation from God or not.

Read the OP. Everything your claiming here is directly addressed in the OP all your doing is repeating yourself without addressing anything in the OP showing why the scriptures disagree with you.
 
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Tacit acknowledgement that you can't find ONE exception to the rule.

Seems to me you're the one who has dug himself into a hole. You're not fooling anyone.

Lol I've been trying to have a proper discussion with you, but your debates consist primarily of repeating yourself, taking things out of context and avoiding important arguing points on my end. All I'm saying is that you've added so much unnecessary malarky that I can't tell what you or your 'maxim' was trying to prove to begin with.
 
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How can the Holy Spirit trump the bible

He already did,

You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you...

Matthew 5:21
 
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Exactly. Does He speak to hearts today?
Through the Word of God he does yes. If there is no Word there is no Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Word of truth *JOHN 6:63; JOHN 17:17. You do not seem to be understanding this.
 
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What you live by has nothing to do with truth. Saying that I live by 'I do what I believe is right' and/or 'X is evil, Y is good' does not mean that I am following the right thing--the GODLY thing. What are you even trying to argue here?
That the maxim is obligatory REGARDLESS of whether it's a "godly thing". Stated otherwise, conscience rules. And if it isn't clear enough from this discussion, Romans 14 and 1Cor 8:1-13 should be a hint as well.

Conscience rules because God, if He is good and just, will judge us not on whether we "figure out" all the right moral decisions, but whether we did what is right to the BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE. That's what the maxim means.

Bear in mind that God has the right to judge our sin - punish us even as Christians, in this life. Suppose, based on Scripture, you decide to go to university-A, but God wanted you to goto university-B. You were obedient to the BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE. Should you be punished?

Your position doesn't make sense. Any denial of the maxim doesn't make sense.
 
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He already did,

You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you...

Matthew 5:21

How can the Holy Spirit trump the bible when the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth *JOHN 6:63 and God's Word is truth *JOHN 17:17? God's Spirit works through the Word of God as it is the Spirit of the Word of truth. It does not work outside of the Word of God as it teaches us to understand it and testifies of it. You ignored this question.

MATTHEW 5:21 is simply a fulfillment of ISAIAH 42:21

MATTHEW 5:20 [20], For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART.

BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

Can we have GRACE without God's LAW if the purpose of God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172?

All of the above is revealed to us through the Word of God. The Words of JESUS are the Words of God. How can you know God's Word when there is no Word or the Word you are given contradicts the scriptures like what you and your friend are teaching?

- Yep the Word of God (Sola scriptura).
 
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Lol I've been trying to have a proper discussion with you, but your debates consist primarily of repeating yourself, taking things out of context and avoiding important arguing points on my end. All I'm saying is that you've added so much unnecessary malarky that I can't tell what you or your 'maxim' was trying to prove to begin with.
And still not one exception to the rule - not one clear scenario. (Yawn).
 
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That the maxim is obligatory REGARDLESS of whether it's a "godly thing". Stated otherwise, conscience rules. And if it isn't clear enough from this discussion, Romans 14 and 1Cor 8:1-13 should be a hint as well.

Conscience rules because God, if He is good and just, will judge us not on whether we "figure out" all the right moral decisions, but whether we did what is right to the BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE. That's what the maxim means.

Bear in mind that God has the right to judge our sin - punish us even as Christians, in this life. Suppose, based on Scripture, you decide to go to university-A, but God wanted you to goto university-B. You were obedient to the BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE. Should you be punished?

Your position doesn't make sense. Any denial of the maxim doesn't make sense.

Then tell me how an Atheist--or anyone else that is either fully convicted God does not exist and religion is evil/harmful(or even people who worship other gods)will not be judged by God for it.
 
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there's really no other way we can know if the 'voice' we're hearing is God or not because we have nothing to compare it to.

I understand there is danger attached, but we really do have to trust in God and not in a book.
 
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I understand there is danger attached, but we really do have to trust in God and not in a book.

This is some weak ground given all of the warnings in scripture about false prophets and the deceit of satan and the like, I'm sorry. My previous point still stands; you cannot know God if you have nothing to compare it to. God does not speak to us like he did with people in the past.
 
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I understand there is danger attached, but we really do have to trust in God and not in a book.
Goodness, I can't believe I am reading this. Don't trust in the bible? Trust in God. How can you trust in God without trusting in His Word? ZZzz. May it is time for me to get some rest. This one was just too much. Ok good night all. Well least we have tested the Spirits to see if they are from God or not. Wish you all the best as you seek JESUS through His Word and remember, only God's Word is true and we should only believe and follow it over the teachings of men they seek to lead us away from His Word.

God bless @EVERYONE.
 
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Then tell me how an Atheist--or anyone else that is either fully convicted God does not exist and religion is evil/harmful(or even people who worship other Gods)will not be judged by God for it.
Sure but let's not waste my time. Is there any point to this question? The bone of contention is whether the maxim rules. Therefore are you envisioning a scenario where, for example, you would advise the atheist to depart from the maxim?

Because if you can't envision a single scenario that would warrant departure from the maxim, why should we debate further on the maxim?
 
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How can the Holy Spirit trump the bible when the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth *JOHN 6:63 and God's Word is truth *JOHN 17:17? God's Spirit works through the Word of God as it is the Spirit of the Word of truth. It does not work outside of the Word of God as it teaches us to understand it and testifies of it. You ignored this question.

MATTHEW 5:21 is simply a fulfillment of ISAIAH 42:21

MATTHEW 5:20 [20], For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART.

BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

Can we have GRACE without God's LAW if the purpose of God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172?

All of the above is revealed to us through the Word of God. The Words of JESUS are the Words of God. How can you know God's Word when there is no Word or the Word you are given contradicts the scriptures like what you and your friend are teaching?

- Yep the Word of God (Sola scriptura).

Engage in the discussion don't just spam.

Can I get something cleared up, which do you believe?
1. The Word of God is the Bible
2. The Word of God is Jesus
3. Both 1 and 2 are correct
4. The Word of God is God speaking to us
5. All of the above
 
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Sure but let's not waste my time. Is there any point to this question? The bone of contention is whether the maxim rules. Therefore are you envisioning a scenario where, for example, you would advise the atheist to depart from the maxim?

Because if you can't envision a single scenario that would warrant departure from the maxim, why should we debate further on the maxim?

Yet here you are still not able to address the rebuttal to your claims here in the OP. Go figure. 99
 
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Engage in the discussion don't just spam.

Can I get something cleared up, which do you believe?
1. The Word of God is the Bible
2. The Word of God is Jesus
3. Both 1 and 2 are correct
4. The Word of God is God speaking to us
5. All of the above

I have started the discussion, please address the OP that proves why your claims here are in error. If you cannot what are you here for and why do you not believe the scriptures?
 
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Sure but let's not waste my time. Is there any point to this question? The bone of contention is whether the maxim rules. Therefore are you envisioning a scenario where, for example, you would advise the atheist to depart from the maxim?

Because if you can't envision a single scenario that would warrant departure from the maxim, why should we debate further on the maxim?

LOL, you can't answer properly because you know you'll be proving my point. Go ahead--tell me whether an atheist or a worshipper of another god will be judged by God based on his maxim that christianity is evil, and atheism or [insert religion here] is good. And remember, according to the maxim God cannot judge someone for doing what is 'best to their knowledge'.
 
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LOL, you can't answer properly because you know you'll be proving my point. Go ahead--tell me whether an atheist or a worshipper of another god will be judged by God based on his maxim that christianity is evil, and atheism or [insert religion here] is good. And remember, according to the maxim God cannot judge someone for doing what is 'best to their knowledge'.
Good luck getting an answer from someone. I am still waiting for the OP to be discussed and addressed.
 
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LOL, you can't answer properly because you know you'll be proving my point. Go ahead--tell me whether an atheist or a worshipper of another god will be judged by God based on his maxim that christianity is evil, and atheism or [insert religion here] is good. And remember, according to the maxim God cannot judge someone for doing what is 'best to their knowledge'.
That sword cuts both ways. Obviously you would have posted an exception to the rule if you had one. Clearly you don't.

But even though you're wasting my time on a moot point, I will address your question, or link you to where I've already addressed it. Give me a few minutes...
 
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Good luck getting an answer from someone. I am still waiting for the OP to be discussed and addressed.

Honestly, I'm a few replies away from putting this guy on ignore lol.
 
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