Why Sola Scriptura isn't God's plan

[Rick Otto]

So which ones get it right? That's what we'd all like to know.

So we all need to decide for ourselves.
Use good criteria.

 

[ivebeenshown]

It is the Holy Spirit that illumines scripture, not three squares a day.

Now if only we can determine who should be trusted of the countless people with differing interpretations, who all claim they interpret by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[MamaZ]

Before Paul came to the Bereans, he was arguing with the Thessalonians. The difference between the two is not that one group checked teaching against Scripture and the other didn't but rather one group accepted the teaching of an Apostle of Jesus Christ and the other didn't.

Ah okay. I thought that you were saying that the church in Thesseonian were arguing with Paul and not the Jews that did not believe.

 

[GQ Chris]

Now if only we can determine who should be trusted of the countless people with differing interpretations, who all claim they interpret by the power of the Holy Spirit.

I sure wouldn't trust a Roman Catholic priest to be my Spiritual Shepherd thats for sure.

 

[Walter Kovacs]

I sure wouldn't trust a Roman Catholic priest to be my Spiritual Shepherd thats for sure.

Some of the smartest and most spiritually mature people I've ever met have been Catholics.

 

[GQ Chris]

Some of the smartest and most spiritually mature people I've ever met have been Catholics.

And I have met some of the angriest, most hostile progressive thinking people that were former Catholics.

 

[GQ Chris]

and I see that those "smart and mature" Catholics failed to sell you on the Gospel, as I see you're still a seeker by your symbol.

 

[Walter Kovacs]

And I have met some of the angriest, most hostile progressive thinking people that were former Catholics.

And some of the most backward, angry people I've ever met were Protestants.

See, I can do it too.

 

[GQ Chris]

I don't doubt those exist also, but 9 times out of 10, especially here in the bay area, they grew up RC just like me.

 

[GQ Chris]

I don't have anything against Roman Catholics, just the organization's teachings, I just disagree with the majority of it.

 

[GQ Chris]

I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school, went through confirmation, was an altar boy, the whole 9 yards.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Let's stay on topic please...the defense of sola scriptura

 

[SummaScriptura]

When I read the lame arguments against sola scriptura in this thread, I am forced to the conclusion that the lamentable schism which resulted in Protestatism was inevitable.

I thank God for Luther, though he is in so many ways not heroic to me.

 

[laconicstudent]

*reads this past page*

My, my, my. Great deal of bitterness in this thread.

 

[Dark_Lite]

When I read the lame arguments against sola scriptura in this thread, I am forced to the conclusion that the lamentable schism which resulted in Protestatism was inevitable.

I thank God for Luther, though he is in so many ways not heroic to me.

Why are they lame?

 

[ivebeenshown]

I sure wouldn't trust a Roman Catholic priest to be my Spiritual Shepherd thats for sure.

Why?

 

[R_A]

I find sola scriptura (as it is understood by fundamentalists) as being totally unacceptable and also non-biblical, no matter how na=many times they repeat theri slogans "No creed but the bible" and "Everyone is their own interpreter".

I agree that the view you've disagreed with above is bad. But I honestly don't think that's what the classical reformers were ever talking about. Everyone is their own interpreter, this is true even for the Catholics (who've totally internalized Protestantism in many ways). Now, instead of hiding the Scripture from the world, and keeping it only for the few at the top, all of us can read it and think about what it means. But that doesn't mean there cannot be experts who might know more than others. And so the classical understanding of sola scriptura is merely that we can all check and verify in Scripture what the experts have told us.

Catholics say that scripture is dispensable and what the Magisterium says outweighs the Scripture, or any reasonable understanding of Scripture. Protestants, the "Protestant Magisterium", have no extra-scriptural authority; if somebody makes a claim, and if they're an expert, they may be listened to, but then their thought process will be heard, and even the simplest person will then be able to go and verify their opinions against what the Scripture itself says.

PRIMA SCRIPTURA
Scripture is indeed the prime authority, and, properly transalted, interpreted, and understood, scripture does provide all that the "knowledge" we need for our salvation. All that means is that secret knowledge is not "needed". We all understand what we need to be justified, and yes this is certainly within scripture.

I understand that you're trying to avoid the limits of fundamentalist literalism, but prima scriptura is not the answer. What prima scriptura means is that some details about God, about salvation, are necessary, and known with infallible holiness, but will never be found in the Bible or in any objective text. What it means is that men, and none other than men, will be the purveyors of truth with the capital T. That is dangerous beyond measure.

Scripture is also the final authority and standard of reference, the authority to which interpretations and teachings of the Holy Spirit must be judged. No doctrine shall be in conflict with scripture. That does NOT imply that there shall be no revelations of doctrine that is not in scripture.

Scripture MUST be viewed through the lens of Tradition. In the end, interpretations of scripture (and all Tradition) also must be viewed through the lens of reason the experience of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit DID NOT leave us orphans. He speaks to us today, individually and through His Church.

I find Richard Hooker's hermeneutics to be best. Scripture + Reason + Tradition. But Scripture > Reason > Tradition. This is how it differs from Liberalism. Scripture always trumps Tradition and Reason. But if it makes a claim, we can use Tradition and Reason to understand its meaning.

 

[simonthezealot]

Sola scriptura doesn't make any sense. Using it, we've developed thousands of tiny, independent sects, all teaching their own little contradictory thing, confusing the faithful, and perpetuating error.

Any division is because these denominations fail to truly resort to true sola scriptura. They do what your church does and raise man made traditions up to a level that presupposes the true view that scripture is our only infallible rule of faith.

You know full well that Christ used Scripture to judge Tradition. This argument is an open shut case!

 

[Chesterton]

Any division is because these denominations fail to truly resort to true sola scriptura. They do what your church does and raise man made traditions up to a level that presupposes the true view that scripture is our only infallible rule of faith.

You know full well that Christ used Scripture to judge Tradition. This argument is an open shut case!

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[Walter Kovacs]

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