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Why so many denominations?

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Open both of your eyes and you'll get a more complete picture of the matter.

That's the real issue here--posters living in glass houses who throw stones. Catholic, Protestant, they all are victims of division, schism, etc.
 
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Open both of your eyes and you'll get a more complete picture of the matter.

That's the real issue here--posters living in glass houses who throw stones. Catholic, Protestant, they all are victims of division, schism, etc.

My eyes are wide open, some posters tend to get defensive and resort to sarcasm and/or character insults or categorize/label people eg those who live in glass houses and have closed eyes......at any rate there are multiple contributing factors to the answer of this post not the least of which is obviously the rejection of Church authority and the rallying cry of SS.
 
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My eyes are wide open, some posters tend to get defensive and resort to sarcasm and/or character insults or categorize/label people eg those who live in glass houses and have closed eyes.
If you feel that way, I'll simply say that your thesis--that the one denomination of your preference is more united than all other churches if they were to be treated as if they were a single church--is absurd.

And as has been noted many times, the Catholic churches are probably less united than the Protestant churches. For certain, no two of the Catholic churches agree with each other.
 
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I think it's fair to say that Christendom has undergone an accelerated fragmentation theologically since the Reformation of which nothing remotely comes close prior to. Today the RCC is not fragmented theologically, quite the opposite, as other groups have changed on a multitude of teachings eg contraception, same sex, female bishops etc the CC been unchanging. "Catholic Churches"?? Are you referring to EO? Surely your not claiming the RCC is less unified doctrinally than the different traditions of the reformation combined??? Now that would be absurd!
 
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I think it's fair to say that Christendom has undergone an accelerated fragmentation theologically since the Reformation of which nothing remotely comes close prior to.
Nothing else, I think you mean.

But as has been mentioned before, there were scads of splits and heretical groups before the Reformation. In fact, they were considered epidemic in the Middle Ages. And most of the Protestant splits are over jurisdictional or administrative matters, not theology. SO, it may be that there has been more splitting in recent times (in both Protestant and Catholic churches), but it's far from clear cut that that's the case.


Well, any church can be made to look united if all the dissenters are deemed to be miraculously outside it. The RCC itself has experienced a number of splits in just the last several generations, so it's certainly not united--and that's to look only at the formal splits. The internal factions and struggles between traditionalists and reformers are well-known.
 
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I would wager that it is because people like to read in between the lines and make huge theological decisions based on smaller parts of the text. Instead of coming together under the banner of Christ which is a beautiful, powerful, and a comprehensive theology, people succumb to the doctrines and traditions of men.

This applies to everything from Calvinism to Pentecostals and everything in between.

So we have some movers and shakers in the History of Christianity, but there are far too many to mention. What we can mention is a few major influences.

Pagan Rome found its way into Christian traditions and even doctrine. (I'm not suggesting the scriptures them selves were influenced but the way they are sometimes interpreted.)

Some of the traditions of Catholicism played a role. But should the reformation just stopped? Did anybody beg to wonder if there will still old pagan influences at play?

Also the modern world plays a part. Sometimes people create churches that look like the world, while others try to protect them against becoming like that.

Another reason there is division is that a particular topic has to be hot or cold, this way or that, but no middle ground. Its like you have to make up your mind on the proposals offered even when it would be acceptable to just have it "undeclared".

Well anywho that's just my 2 cents.
 
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Noble words. The issue here is that the Word of God is made up of words... and those words at times translate to fact-based propositions. Said propositions are either true and reflective of God's will and desires or they are not.

"Coming together under the banner of Christ" is what the so-called Restoration movement attempts to do but it leads inevitably to theological disunity. People with otherwise nothing in common as far as religious beliefs are concerned pretend to be "united" with each other simply because they both confess that Christ is the Son of God. You can do just that but (A) it's completely superficial and (B) it leaves a *LOT* on the table.

Pagan Rome found its way into Christian traditions and even doctrine.
*sigh*

I really wish people would think twice before saying things like this. In the majority of cases I know about, the "paganism" people refer to are practices the Church had first and which pagans attempted (to varying degrees of success) to co-opt. Why should the Church abandon centuries-old beliefs, symbols and practices just because some pagans wanted them for themselves?

Another reason there is division is that a particular topic has to be hot or cold, this way or that, but no middle ground.
Any statement of fact you make is either factually true or it is not factually true. What middleground is there between truth and non-truth?

Should abject lack of truth be tolerated in the name of maintaining the illusion of unity? How has that worked out for the Anglican Communion?

Its like you have to make up your mind on the proposals offered even when it would be acceptable to just have it "undeclared".
Again, proposals are either true or they are not true. I happen to think we have (at the very least) an intellectual duty to ourselves to develop an opinion on the matter.
 
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I'd say that it's more often because of the need to throw off the doctrines and traditions of men. And that's good.
 
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And I could say Rome started the fragmentation of theological and unity that led to the Great Schism.

Sorry but you lot don't get a free pass on theological and unity issues either.
 
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It is impossible also for Him to lie, yet whatsoever is impossible for Elohym to do or not do, He is capable of achieving the equivalent thereof, i.e., "lead us not into..."

In essence, He is aware of all that any individual is aware of, and everything that any one is not aware of, thus He knows precisely what two or three words an individual needs to hear at a given moment to reap whatsoever response He desires from any individual, He knows exactly what to say in order to make one cry, laugh, be enraged, sad, etc., thus He is capable of speaking a truth that is above our heads, and we can either rely on Him to explain these things, or nurture our speculations which is predisposed to be a lie when it is not in harmony with the divine truth.
 
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Love it simply Lo....well how can I not, it is a pretty good discription of my reality.

I can not tell you how many times a denominationalistic babe responded to a testimony of scripture that I was moved to share, with total disregard for what was being said, but expressed unwaranted fear that anyone would dare climb out of their diapers, and step away from their nursing bottle teaching, and quote scriptures precept upon precept, etc., which the denominations for one reason or another do not touch....


It's their concern that I have the basics down first, not knowing you can not get where I am in my faith and relationship with Elohym without embodying those basics, and unless I demonstrate otherwise, why go there?

They do not realize, it takes one to be able to recognize another of the same, thus if he fails to recognize that which is good and from on high, then it is because he is yet blinded by his own shortcomings of the basics, and is, (as it is for many) easier to superimpose our own disposition onto another, and suspect they are no better off than themself as it pertains to disposition, than to rely on scriptural principles so that they do not have to be found....so lacking!
 
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Hear hear ! I think in general people are lazy because it takes effort and much time to study the scriptures. I suggest you will have an excellent grasp of OT soteriology, being Messianic, which many Christians gloss over.
 
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For some of us it is not a matter of accepting or rejecting the Nicene Creed, personally I feel it is an earnest attempt to provide all believers a common ground in which to stand on, but foundation has already been laid, so if the Creed ommits one verse, it has nothing to do with me, if the Creed hinders, or prohibits believers to do what is scripturally expected for believers to do, then again, I say, What does it have to do with me?
 
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Clinically, when we experience something so traumatic that it forces us to change, and not allow us to go back, it is referred to as PTSD, except I like to think of the D as 'deliverance', or in alignment with what our savior might say, If Disorder rises against disorder, than how can the kingdom of disorder stand?

It's what a rude awakening is capable of doing!
 
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If we actually go according to the Scriptures to interpret the scriptures, as Sola scriptura intends, then the last three definitive points listed above go against scripture, for Interpretation may be a gift of Ruach H'Kodesh, and Y'shua said he had many things yet to say, but because of our denominational babe attributes, were not ready to bear those things, however he would send Ruach H'Kodesh to bring us into remembrance (by quoting) the things he has said, and guide & teach us concerning these things.

Thus without Ruach H'Kodesh how can anyone come unto the truth, or receieve the gift of interpretation! The last on the above list makes null and void what the scripture say will occur in the last day i.e., pretty much everyone will be prophecizing, which will only be as vauge or clear as we all know prophecy to be.

I am still Solo Scriptura, just not quite like the guy whose ascription includes the omission of scripture.
 
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Actually there is as much agreement within the various protestant denominations as there is within Rome.

Protestants have agreement in the doctrines necessary for salvation.. they accept the Solas of the reformation and look to Christ alone for their salvation.. the differences do not negate that ..
 
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Its because of false teachers and false prophets! we were told they would infiltrate the flock, appearing as sheep but actually being wolves (see 2 Peter 2)
In the case of the reformation it was to run away from the false teachers that infiltrated the NT church
 
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True. But some people will say that the minister/priest doesn't stand in the right place during worship, or that there should be more--or fewer--candles on the Communion table, or something else like that. To them, all this matters a lot.
 
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