why so combatitive?

[RedTulipMom]

My son Joey tricked us and threw his meds in the toilet for 2 days and then became manic. He didnt sleep 2 nights straight and he was VERY COMBATITIVE. he was arguing about EVERYTHING. He was refusing to take his meds, saying he didnt need them. Does Combatitiveness always come with Mania? Or is this something else. i am confused!

 

[s_gunter]

I'm no medical expert, but I do know a little from experience, not only from myself, but from seeing it in someone close to me.

Being combative can part of being manic. Everything is heightened in mania, especially emotions. However, one can never be sure what is truly triggering the combativeness. People do tend to use a mental illness to benefit themselves (the person that's mentally ill that is.), and others tend to use mental illness to discredit, invalidate, or otherwise treat someone with mental illness badly (directed at the mentally ill...). He may have a real problem, please don't discredit you son because he's not expressing it appropriately or in the manner you would like. You have to communicate with him, no matter how he is choosing to communicate. You might even have to help him figure it out. Often those with bipolar or schizo disorder have a problem identifying it. They don't know how to express it.

The reason he is flushing his meds is because he might have a problem with them. All "mental" drugs have adverse side effects the medical community refuses to list, either physical or emotional. Your son may feel like he turning into a person he doesn't recognize, leaving him with no identity. This is really scary for a person. (Please believe me, I know this from experience. I'm not on meds now for this reason, among others.) Being combative is a way to force himself and others to recognize that he is still who he is. He is going to be who he is, and no one can nor should change that. He may feel like he is losing control, and a person will fight this. A person does not want to be controlled by others or some drug.

Or, the drugs may be really working, hence he feels like he doesn't need them anymore. With other drugs, such as pain relievers, once you start to feel better, you stop taking them, right? So this may be what's going through his mind. He doesn't understand that he has to continue to take these meds to stay 'feeling better.' It is the opposite of the norm in this case.

One way or the other, you need to find out which is the case. You need to find out what the matter is, what's going on inside him. You need to help him with this. If you don't know how, you need to find those that do know how, or you're gonna have more problems than you bargained for. People will get violent towards other or themselves trying to express themselves. It's THAT important.

 

[HeartsnFlowers]

I've read there is a higher rate of non-compliance with medical treatment in the psychiatric area than in any other, like people refusing to take their meds, or not taking them as ordered.

Some BP people want the high of the mania that is taken away on a mood stabilizer.

Maybe he has not accepted his diagnosis. How old is he?

 

[IKTCA]

Dear Sister Karen Marie:

God designed family to be a haven of peace and joy. So the Enemy, who is bent to destroy God's creation, will do his best to disrupt peace and joy of your family. He will throw combativeness, lies and more at you through your son to make you miserable and give up. Are you ready to fight back?

You son is more God's than yours. He belongs to you only until he becomes an adult, but he belongs to Him forever.

He trusted you would raise him well for Him and placed him in your womb. You carried him for 10 months and nursed him for Him. There is a reward waiting for you since you raised him well for Him.

But your task of raising him has not ended yet. As you feed him with food, you are to feed his soul with the instructions of God. You are to protect him with prayers.

Be reminded that you have the trust of God. He, who gave you the son, will also give you the wisdom and power to raise him well. Only ask Him.

Rupert

 

[Jeshu]

My son Joey tricked us and threw his meds in the toilet for 2 days and then became manic. He didnt sleep 2 nights straight and he was VERY COMBATITIVE. he was arguing about EVERYTHING. He was refusing to take his meds, saying he didnt need them. Does Combatitiveness always come with Mania? Or is this something else. i am confused!

I don't know if combatitiveness is always part of mania - but anger (rage) certainly is. Frustration and irritation often caused rage in my manic cycles. Furthermore denial of the doctors diagnosis caused me to go of my medications as well, which resulted in another psychosis. (I thought everybody else had gone crazy unable to grasp that it was me who had gone over the edge.)

I think that Joey is confused and angry by all the upheaval and is seeking outlets to air his frustration that is why you and your family are copping it.

I've been on medication for over two years now but I still hate it and have to fight the impression that I don't need it constantly.

Still praying for you and your son.

Gerry

 

[vincejohn]

The power of prayer and crying out to our Lord Yeshua Jesus Messiah is greater than all the doctors and meds in the world. Bi polar is a label and a lie from doctors. It is merely stress related depression.
Look at your life and your husbands or partner, are you walking with God truly.
Look into your soul what level of sin is in your life . Your childs behavior is a manifestation of the parents in my opinion. The doctors and pschs have got it all back to front sorry.. I was bi polar actually depression have been drug free 5 yeRS AFTER STAYING AWAY FROM gODLESS PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY AND FINALLY GETTING A JOB PRAISE gOD, BUT MY CHANGE FOR THE BETTER CAME ONLY AFTER i CRIED OUT TO jESUS FOR HELP WITH MY HEART AND SOUL.LOVE vINCE.

Sorry about the capitals the button stuck cant repeat myself .

 

[HeartsnFlowers]

The power of prayer and crying out to our Lord Yeshua Jesus Messiah is greater than all the doctors and meds in the world. Bi polar is a label and a lie from doctors. It is merely stress related depression.
Look at your life and your husbands or partner, are you walking with God truly.
Look into your soul what level of sin is in your life . Your childs behavior is a manifestation of the parents in my opinion. The doctors and pschs have got it all back to front sorry.. I was bi polar actually depression have been drug free 5 yeRS AFTER STAYING AWAY FROM gODLESS PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY AND FINALLY GETTING A JOB PRAISE gOD, BUT MY CHANGE FOR THE BETTER CAME ONLY AFTER i CRIED OUT TO jESUS FOR HELP WITH MY HEART AND SOUL.LOVE vINCE.

Sorry about the capitals the button stuck cant repeat myself .

Bipolar and Major Depression are clinical Medical conditions. The medical research is out there. Neurotransmitters/ chromosomal links are not due to stress or parenting.
Situational depression and stress is what you describe and those may be treated without medications. Bipolar requires medical treatment. Prayer and walking with God are always applicable to every illness and situation, but one would still take antibiotics for an infection.

 

[Alive again]

Hello, I am bp2 and so is my son (now 20). The years between 16 and 18 were very difficult in my household as my son also develop the anger/rage/combativeness and lying, manipulating routine. He also then got into areas of sex, drinking and drugs as well. So be on the lookout. Also know that things are much inproved as of today.


Keep on your knees in prayer!!! Ask God for wisdom. His word promises that He is happy to answer that prayer. Also consider the behavior as a symptom of the disease and not a "bad" behavior. Help him to review his chioces and options when he is not out of control. Also always consider inpatient of day treatment options in your community. Let the professionals help you!!! My son was always an expert at apologizing and asking for a second chance. My biggest regrets are the punishments for what was indeed disease and that I did not follow thru and take him to the treatment center I found. It can be some of the most challenging years to help your child. I always chose to let him fall on his face when I was there to help him sort in out. Of course he always veiwed my advice as trying to control him and rebeled all the more. But we did give him warnings and drew firm lines (even signed a contract with him) and consequences. We tried many things. He did end up away from home a few times, very scary times those were. Also check to see if NAMI has a family2family class in your area. It was very helpful to us.

Meds???? Always look for others if there are probs with the one he is on. All of us want to be "normal" So when our meds cause side effects we want to dump them and when they help us feel good, somehow we convince ourselves we are well now and don't need them and dump them. Then you add being a teenager and the time in your life that you want so much to "be your own person" that you try to be exactly like everyone else around you (like that is really logical in the first place) and dump your meds. . . Isn't it amazing the things we go thru!!!! Also consider as he grows his needs for meds may change as his body mass changes.

Basics of bp meds!!!! MOOD STABILIZER!!!! Antidepressants can be used, but can also trigger mania. Many of us require other meds in addition, such as antipsychotics. also ADHD co occurs very frequently, so watch for that as well.

Finally, esp with teenagers, but for all of us. When our meds don't work well, we find ways to self medicate-drugs, sex, food, shopping, smoking etc. If you see those behaviors recognize them for what they are, and go back to looking at adjusting/changing meds. Do not despair in this quest, God is with you every step of the way. Never hesitate to pm or email me. I am still currently fighting some issues on my computer, so am not on as often as I like, but I will respond when i get to a computer.

Know also that our prayers and support are with you!!!

 

[angelkiss]

He could be combative because he feels he don't need meds and is in denial. And he could be combative because is manic. I get so combative I throw things, slam doors off the hinges, break things, you name it. I have a higher tendency to do that if I haven't taken my meds or if my meds are not working with me. It is very important that he understand how important it is for him to have his medication. Acceptance and meds, and support are the main keys to helping a bipolar. I was a grown adult and wouldn't accept it at first, so I could imagine what he is feeling as a youngster. I have been bipolar since childhood, but never knew until I got into my mid-twenties. It sure explains a lot of my actions as a child. I will be praying for you all.