Why sin?

[Hammster]

If we truly have free will, then why do we sin? Why not use our free will to not sin?

 

[JustAsIam77]

If we truly have free will, then why do we sin? Why not use our free will to not sin?

Mens free will would damn them to hell in an instant. Is that too harsh?

 

[Hammster]

Mens free will would damn them to hell in an instant. Is that too harsh?

You and I understand that. But some on here think that our will is free. So I am wondering why, if our will is so free, do we sin? We are given a free choice to sin or not to sin. So why do we choose to sin when the opportunity comes up? Of course, we don't sin at every instance. But we do sin enough.

 

[Rightglory]

Hammster,

If we truly have free will, then why do we sin? Why not use our free will to not sin?

Have you heard yet that Christ came?

He freed mankind from the bondage to death and sin. He restored that choice to man so it is meaningful. It has consequences.

We have a free will just for the purpose of choosing whether to sin or not to sin. OUr problem is that we cannot do it perfectly, evne with His help. That is why confession is necessary.

 

[JustAsIam77]

You and I understand that. But some on here think that our will is free. So I am wondering why, if our will is so free, do we sin? We are given a free choice to sin or not to sin. So why do we choose to sin when the opportunity comes up? Of course, we don't sin at every instance. But we do sin enough.

I hear you brother..I'm guilty as charged of being an unworthy sinner.

All I can say is thank God Almighty for the saving grace of Christ Jesus our Lord and the unmerited mercy bestowed by God the Father.

 

[Easystreet]

It is better for people to think you are ignorant about Calvinism than to post stuff like this and remove all doubt.

Really? This is the best you have?

It is the logical conclusion of the doctrines taught by Calvinism. If one of every 10 is absolutely elected and the other 9 are damned to hell (double predestination) there is no other logical outcome. To claim that God predetermines every actions and reaction concludes that for Calvinist the answer to your question is that you sin because God make you sin. This is the logical end to the doctrine of Calvinism.

 

[Hammster]

It is the logical conclusion of the doctrines taught by Calvinism. If one of every 10 is absolutely elected and the other 9 are damned to hell (double predestination) there is no other logical outcome. To claim that God predetermines every actions and reaction concludes that for Calvinist the answer to your question is that you sin because God make you sin. This is the logical end to the doctrine of Calvinism.

What does that have to do with the OP? You can start another thread to address that.

Why do you sin, if you have free will?

 

[Glorthac]

Cmon, you know. You're doing something, and then an urge comes from your body, and it builds up until you give in to get it to go away.
That isn't to say you don't have a free will, only that the urge gets to the point where you rationalize sinning to not suffer (from the passions) over suffering (from the passions) to not sin.

 

[JustAsIam77]

Calvinist don't have to confess; they are elect based an assumption that God pick them and damned all others so it is impossible for them to be lost therefore they don't need to confess anything, it is a locked case even if they don’t know it.

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Jn 15:16

Emphasis mine, we are chosen, we don't choose our destiny. Leave your disdain for Calvinists at the curb. Election is clearly stated in scripture, don't derail this thread.

 

[Hammster]

Cmon, you know. You're doing something, and then an urge comes from your body, and it builds up until you give in to get it to go away.
That isn't to say you don't have a free will, only that the urge gets to the point where you rationalize sinning to not suffer (from the passions) over suffering (from the passions) to not sin.

So you don't have a choice? Are we all doomed from birth to be sinners?

 

[Glorthac]

Yes we have a choice to continue to suffer from the passions. It just seems better from our perspectives to chose to sin.

Just wondering, do you think God is omnipotent enough to make man with a truly free-will?

 

[razeontherock]

Interesting concept presented here, that the law of sin and death = we have no free will.
Does the perfect law of liberty also do away with free will?

 

[Hammster]

Yes we have a choice to continue to suffer from the passions. It just seems better from our perspectives to chose to sin.

Just wondering, do you think God is omnipotent enough to make man with a truly free-will?

Nonsensical question. That's like asking if God is omnipotent enough to create a rock so big that not even He can move it. Your question is like asking if God can create another God.

 

[Hammster]

Interesting concept presented here, that the law of sin and death = we have no free will.
Does the perfect law of liberty also do away with free will?

I don't know. What is the perfect law of liberty?

 

[Glorthac]

Nonsensical question. That's like asking if God is omnipotent enough to create a rock so big that not even He can move it. Your question is like asking if God can create another God.

Those questions aren't non-sensical to me. Toss away that idea of non-sensical ideas and think about the ideas.

 

[Hammster]

Those questions aren't non-sensical to me. Toss away that idea of non-sensical ideas and think about the ideas.

I guess my will isn't that free to be able to do that. It would be akin to asking me to stop believing that one plus one equals two. And I gave you my reason for thinking so. The only truly free will being is God Himself.

 

[Glorthac]

Well I asked you that question for a reason, cause, after I abandoned Sola Scriptura, that question was the one that set the gears in motion towards Catholicism.

 

[JustAsIam77]

This is an interesting thread..the OP asked if we have free will why don't we choose not to sin? Could it be possible free will is a crock, that we don't have the ability to choose a sin free life?

 

[Hammster]

Well I asked you that question for a reason, cause, after I abandoned Sola Scriptura, that question was the one that set the gears in motion towards Catholicism.

Okay, then the answer is no, God cannot create a truly freewilled person. I am uncomfortable with that answer for the reasons given. But if it will help to move this along, I will play along.

 

[Hammster]

This is an interesting thread..the OP asked if we have free will why don't we choose not to sin? Could it be possible free will is a crock, that we don't have the ability to choose a sin free life?

That's where I'm a leanin'.