Why should I worship the Christian god, even if it does exist?

[Desiredusername]

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the Christian god exists, and the Bible is it's inspired word. Why should I worship the Christian god?

This god created a universe with needless suffering, death, cruelty, ext, and is completely complacent with all of such, simply because two people disobeyed him in the past. Why should I worship a god like that?

In the Old Testament, the Christian god had men who followed him war with other armies, and slaughter men, women, children, and even infants alike. It ordered that other people be killed, due to infringments of it's rules. (Such as working on the Sabbath, being a disobedient child, ext.) Why should I worship a god like that?


This god has no qualms with throwing people into Hell to be tortured forever, simply because they didn't see any reason to believe that he existed, and to worship him. Why should I worship a god like that?

 

[ebia]

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the Christian god exists, and the Bible is it's inspired word. Why should I worship the Christian god?

You've asked a question above, and then described something below that isn't the Christian God, but set of gross misconceptions about God. Which question do you want answered: "why should [you] believe in the Christian God?" or "Why should [you] believe in the God you've just described?". The answer to the latter is clearly that you shouldn't.

This god created a universe with needless suffering, death, cruelty, ext, and is completely complacent with all of such, simply because two people disobeyed him in the past. Why should I worship a god like that?

In the Old Testament, the Christian god had men who followed him war with other armies, and slaughter men, women, children, and even infants alike. It ordered that other people be killed, due to infringments of it's rules. (Such as working on the Sabbath, being a disobedient child, ext.) Why should I worship a god like that?

This god has no qualms with throwing people into Hell to be tortured forever, simply because they didn't see any reason to believe that he existed, and to worship him. Why should I worship a god like that?[/quote]

 

[Aces High]

I reckon Ebia should answer this completely cause if everyone butts in it will get no where But Ebia is right, a lot of what I read are misconceptions in the first post.

 

[heron]

What strikes me most about your statement, is the word worship. It can conjure up such an odd visual ... brings back memories of cartoons of people bowing down to a volcano.

Start with appreciation for what you know to be good and true. You don't have to pretend to like something that is cruel or unjust. You already sense what is right, and what is unreasonable. Don't lose that. You can find out more of the logic behind certain rules, but you don't have to throw away your common sense.

Learn what is good, study the writings of many people considered to be wise, observe what is around you, and make conscious efforts to appreciate the good in the world.

Be grateful for a halfway-decent family, for living in a guerilla-free neighborhood, for having enough provisions to avoid malnutrition.

Learning who God is and why He said certain things is a lifetime venture.

 

[heron]

and is completely complacent with all of such

He is not complacent -- He just sets conditional terms.

And I say to you, Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Lu 11:9, Mt 7:7

But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask from God, who gives to all freely and with no reproach, and it will be given to him.
Jas 1:5

If my people, on whom My name is called, shall be humbled, and shall pray, and shall seek My face, and shall turn back from their evil ways, then I will hear from Heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2Ch 7:14

Many of the rules were intended to protect others. The sabbath rule meant that an employer was not allowed to make their employees work every day of the week, while the owner was taking a day off.
Everyone had the same day off, so the lower-level people were not working while higher-level people stuffed their faces at a festival.

The rule also prevented the grandmas from spending the whole day making sauce and washing dishes while everyone else watched football. The rule protected people whose efforts might not have been noticed otherwise.

Even the animals' needed rest was built into the rule. The land was scheduled to be fallow. Rest is an important part of our health, so important that we need to schedule it in or we'll keep pushing ourselves.

A person who disobeyed the Sabbath was someone who deprived another of the only rest they would get that week.

 

[TwilightSol]

well think about it with out that suffering would we learn on our own? why would you want someone to tell you to livve this or that way? God gives us the freedom to make our own choises. if there was no evil in the world would there be good? God tried to show his power through the Isrealites(sp) so that we might understand that God exists. i have always had one thought in mind that tells me about my religion, Christianity is a religion based not on science or evidence but on belife and trust. to explain that God exsits well to do that you have to feel his power to see and hear it, if you have a bible or if you know someone who does please read this verse; John 3:32. this verse is how we Christians sometimes feel, you can't just tell someone they have to experiance it for themselves. we're just here to tell you about him and then we let him work his wonders. we can tell you and walk away and say we planted the seed now let God do his best.

Now God was so angry with us so why didn't he just wipe us out? because he loved us; John 3:16; do you ever wonder how it felt to suffer all your Fathers rage and anger? it must have been hard for Jesus yet he still agreed to suffer for us. why didn't he say no just smight them? i think you know by now. so do you feel better or just more confused? If you have questions any body please send me a message. ok?

 

[Key]

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the Christian god exists, and the Bible is it's inspired word. Why should I worship the Christian god?

Well I believe you answered your own question very well...

"This god has no qualms with throwing people into Hell to be tortured forever, simply because they didn't ........worship him."

That should sum it up for you....

Have a Great Day.

God Bless

Key

 

[ebia]

Ah, so we should worship god simply out of fear for hell?

No. That would be a completely dumb thing to do on all sorts of levels. The Christian God doesn't say "Worship me or I will throw you into hell", he says something much closer to "trust me so that I can redeem you and make you whole again".

*sigh* I prefer Luciferianism to Christianity. I mean if for some reason everything Christianity teaches is proven to be true then I'll become a Luciferianist. But that will never happen.

If Christian teaching is correct that would also be a completely dumb thing to do. What satan offers is self-destructive and temporary. Satan has already lost.

Of course, if what you call "Christian teaching" isn't Christian teaching at all, but the misconception of Christian teaching you've outlined so far, then by all means reject it.

 

[calidog]

Why should I worship the Christian god, even if it does exist?


Because of the air you breath

Act 17:25 ......... seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:28 For in Him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your [own] poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
Psa 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. .............

 

[Key]

Ah, so we should worship god simply out of fear for hell?

*sigh* I prefer Luciferianism to Christianity. I mean if for some reason everything Christianity teaches is proven to be true then I'll become a Luciferianist. But that will never happen.

Nothing like ensuring your own little place in Hell huh?

Anyway, as per the god that was presented by the OP, sure, that would be the only motive.

That has no relation to the Christian God, but, eh, people will hold to these misconceptions with bands of steel, and never let go, simply because they possess an irrational and illogical hatred towards Christianity.

Your post has provided and proved this mindset, that you are one of the great many that will hold to these deceptions.

Meh, it's your choice to believe your own lies, and hold to your own falsehoods regarding something that you know nothing about, but still cling to such ill informed views, I bet you also think in some little world you have constructed that it is Christians that are the dumb ones.

Eh, it's your little world... excuse me while I embrace the reality of life.

God Bless

Key.

 

[zaksmummy]

Have you ever thought about asking God to show you who he really is?

"seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened to you" sorry cant remember reference.

 

[calidog]

Luk 11:9 So I say to you, Ask and keep on asking and it shall be given you; seek and keep on seeking and you shall find; knock and keep on knocking and the door shall be opened to you.
Luk 11:10 For everyone who asks and keeps on asking receives; and he who seeks and keeps on seeking finds; and to him who knocks and keeps on knocking, the door shall be opened.

 

[salida]

Desiredusername--

The christian God is the only God that exists - in otherwords created the universe. Yes, this may sound conceited but it isn't. Its how things are like the law of gravity - I can accept it or reject it. I have studied other religious books and they don't come close to this.

In addition, Christ came to this world to save mankind from their fallen nature as mankind needs redemption. I will point you to a couple sources out of very many that support my claims. The Bible is a spiritual book and can only by understood by the help of the Holy Spirit. Just picking it up and reading it without it won't work. Until I got the Holy Spirit in my life it was like chinese; I didn't need a man to interpret it for me as the Bible interprets itself. I don't mind denominations but sometimes I think if there weren't any - there wouldn't be so many divisions if people would just let the Holy Spirit guide them much more.

Its also an intellectual decision in addition to a spiritual reality. Read Evidence Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell (it would stand up in a court of law) and Examine the Evidence by Muncaster (a former athiest).

Biblical Evidence (Scratching the Surface Only)

Internal Evidences
Prophesies that are confirmed within Bible

- Life of Christ
The Tribe of Judah, Gen 49:10 - Luke 3:23-28
(Genesis was written 4004 BC to 1689 BC)
(Luke's time period is 60-70 AD)

Royal Line of David, Jer 23:5 -Matt 1:1
(Jeremiah 760 to 698 BC)/(Matthew 60-70 AD)

Born of a Virgin, Isaiah 7:14/Matt 1:18-23
(Isaiah 760 to 698 BC)/(60-70 AD)

**I can list at least 20 more of these.
-Rise of Empires
In the book of Daniel, Chapter 2 - four kingdoms are described in the interpretation of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek - Daniel 8:21, 10:20) and a fourth great kingdom to follow - part iron and clay - which is the Roman Empire - during this empire Christ came and the church was established - Daniel 2:44.

-Historical Accuracy
The Bible is loaded with historical statements concerning events hundreds of years ago, yet has not been proven incorrect on any.
(Bible compared to other ancient documents):
New Testament - starts at 25 years - between original and first surviving copies
Homer - starts at 500 years
Demosthenes - at 1400 years
Plato - at 1200 years
Caesar - at 1000 years

Number of Manuscript Copies
New Testament - 5,686
Homer - 643
Demosthenes - 200
Plato - 7
Caesar - 10

Consistency
Written by at least 40 men over a period of time exceeding 1400 years, and has no internal inconsistencies.

Claim of Inspiration
It claims to be spoken by God, 2 Tim 3:16-17). No other religious book makes such claims.

External Evidences
(Prophesies Outside the Bible)
These cities were prophesied to be destroyed and never be built again.
Nineveh - Nahum 1:10, 3:7,15, Zephaniah 2:13-14
Babylon - Isaiah 13:1-22)
Tyre (Ezekiel 26:1-28)

Bible before Science
He hangs the earth on nothing - Job 26:7
(Job was written at least 1000 years ago - some scholars think it could be even 3000 years ago)
Note: Man only knew this for 350 years
Earth is a sphere, Isaiah 40:22
Air has weight, Job 28:25
Gravity - Job 26:7, Job 38:31-33
Winds blow in cyclones, Eccl 1:6

Documents that Prove Bible is True
Gilgamesh Epic, The Sumerian King List, Mari Tablets, Babylonian Chronicles

Archealogoical Finds
Excavations of Ur, Location of Zoar, Ziggurats and the foundation of Tower of Babel

 

[heron]

The Christian God doesn't say "Worship me or I will throw you into hell", he says something much closer to "trust me so that I can redeem you and make you whole again".

Desired -- temporarily look at the earth and all existence as if you thought there was only one God, one creator (whether it's the Christian God or not).

Then think about the logic of the choice between accepting grace or not. We have a choice not to be randomly thrown into Hell, and it's a fairly simple process.

God is not asking us to throw ten people into a volcano, to fast until our ribs show, or to convert 100 people towards our salvation. He is asking for responsible communication, and highly recommending consideration of others. If we choose not to acknowledge Him, there is no reason He should have to acknowledge us.

 

[WarEagle]

This god created a universe with needless suffering, death, cruelty, ext, and is completely complacent with all of such, simply because two people disobeyed him in the past. Why should I worship a god like that?

The Bible doesn't teach this.

God created the world with no "suffering, death, cruelty, ext (sic)".

These things only entered creation as a result of man's sin.

In the Old Testament, the Christian god had men who followed him war with other armies, and slaughter men, women, children, and even infants alike. It ordered that other people be killed, due to infringments of it's rules. (Such as working on the Sabbath, being a disobedient child, ext.) Why should I worship a god like that?

Because God has a right to protect His children and to punish those who do evil.

This god has no qualms with throwing people into Hell to be tortured forever, simply because they didn't see any reason to believe that he existed, and to worship him. Why should I worship a god like that?

The Bible doesn't teach this. The Bible teaches that all men are deserving of Hell because of their sin, not because they don't believe in and worship God.

Why is it that you guys always want to tell us how awful God is because He punishes evil, but you never want to say that God must be good because He reaches out to sinners in order to give them an opportunity to be forgiven and reconciled to Him?

 

[hannahfievel]

Actually I think each of us are on a path to Him. But, He leaves us freewill as to whether or not to choose to love God or not. It really is up to an individual...if you do ask for guidance from above...I am more than sure HE will give you the answers you seek!

Many others said, and this is true...Ask and you "shall" receive...HE doesn't want "Not one of us" to perish and suffer hell! Really HE doesn't, He loves you and just wants to be your best friend...to guide you through this nasty world that "man" has made! HE made a perfect world, but "no" that wasn't good enough for mankind...so now we suffer until He re-establishs "His perfect world" with HIS followers! Sincerely, hannah for your eyes to be opened to HIS possibilities that "will" add and not take away from your life!

 

[wiggbuggie]

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the Christian god exists, and the Bible is it's inspired word. Why should I worship the Christian god?

This god created a universe with needless suffering, death, cruelty, ext, and is completely complacent with all of such, simply because two people disobeyed him in the past. Why should I worship a god like that?

In the Old Testament, the Christian god had men who followed him war with other armies, and slaughter men, women, children, and even infants alike. It ordered that other people be killed, due to infringments of it's rules. (Such as working on the Sabbath, being a disobedient child, ext.) Why should I worship a god like that?


This god has no qualms with throwing people into Hell to be tortured forever, simply because they didn't see any reason to believe that he existed, and to worship him. Why should I worship a god like that?

God doesn't want to send people to hell or destroy them. people themselves choose that path and like any father or good parent God diciplines us like children because we are all of us are God's children. And their is sufferings on earth but God's plans are still in the works our real life doesnt start until we die and are ressurected and join the lord. This is just a test right now.

 

[MethodMan]

Please - this is not a debate area

Take this to PM's

 

[Stinker]

It has been my understanding and own experience, that the kind of belief commanded by the New Testament (conversion) has to be of the supernatural.

The way this occurs is for an unbeliever to put aside their negative feelings and give the word of God a chance. I think many chicken out when this starts to occur within them because there is such a strange reaction. This reaction is the Holy Spirit weilding His sword (Eph.6:17) and performing the circumcision upon their heart. (Col.2:11-13)

 

[ebia]

It has been my understanding and own experience, that the kind of belief commanded by the New Testament (conversion) has to be of the supernatural.

The way this occurs is for an unbeliever to put aside their negative feelings and give the word of God a chance. I think many chicken out when this starts to occur within them because there is such a strange reaction. This reaction is the Holy Spirit weilding His sword (Eph.6:17) and performing the circumcision upon their heart. (Col.2:11-13)

By allowing things to be divided into 'natural' and 'supernatural' Christianity is allowing modernism to set the rules of the debate. YHWH is not distant God who occasionally steps in to tweak his creation; He is working in and through all of his creation all of the time.

Natural and supernatural are useful working labels for science, not accurate ways of describing the Judeo/Christian world view.