Why religion cannot make its mind up about nudity

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To bare or not to bare: why religion can't make its mind up about nudity - ABC listen

Why do religions tell us to cover up? And how has this affected the way we value, judge, and sexualise our bodies in the modern world?

www.abc.net.au

Have a listen to this podcast episode, it's very interesting.

 

[com7fy8]

"be clothed with humility" (in 1 Peter 5:5)

Whether people show themselves or not, we should be attracted to someone because he or she is humble.

But there are people who judge by outward beauty.

 

[partinobodycular]

If someone seeks to attract others, whether to lure them, or to be desired by them, they are sinning.
If someone is not modest in covering, they are previously and continuing sinning in the heart first , and then in their immodesty outwardly.

There's a word for this type of attitude... if I could just remember what it was...

Hmmm, what could it possibly be...

Ah, I've got it... hypocrisy!!!!

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

If someone seeks to attract others, whether to lure them, or to be desired by them, they are sinning.

I'm not so sure of that ... a single woman cannot show her elegance or interest to an eligible man? Or show off her baking skills? Or vice-versa ?

 

[soldier of light]

I was a man who struggled with lust. It doesn't help to see women dressed like prostitutes everywhere. I keep my eyes away from the wickedness. Women should cover up. Why do they want to encourage ungodly men to look at them? Is that holiness? I stopped looking but when are they going to stop posing?

 

[soldier of light]

I'm not so sure of that ... a single woman cannot show her elegance or interest to an eligible man? Or show off her baking skills? Or vice-versa ?

Sure, if you don't mind ungodly men lusting for you.

 

[partinobodycular]

I was a man who struggled with lust. It doesn't help to see women dressed like prostitutes everywhere. I keep my eyes away from the wickedness. Women should cover up. Why do they want to encourage ungodly men to look at them? Is that holiness? I stopped looking but when are they going to stop posing?

Yeah, lets get those burqa's out, shall we, because you can't control your lust.

 

[partinobodycular]

Sure, if you don't mind ungodly men lusting for you.

Apparently you're one of those ungodly men.

 

[soldier of light]

Yeah, lets get those burqa's out, shall we, because you can't control your lust.

I control my lust. I repented. I'm actually celibate. But that doesn't excuse women for dressing provocatively.

 

[soldier of light]

Apparently you're one of those ungodly men.

Not anymore but all my guy friends look at women. Why do you judge the men for their lust but not the women? Does she not have lust in her heart to be lusted after? She wants men to have lust for her. That's the point of your argument.

 

[partinobodycular]

I control my lust. I repented. I'm actually celibate.

Being celibate doesn't mean that you don't lust. Personally, I find such claims to be sanctimonious.

But that doesn't excuse women for dressing provocatively.

You're assuming that it needs excusing.

 

[partinobodycular]

Why do you judge the men for their lust but not the women?

I don't judge men for their lust. Why should I? I judge them for sanctimoniously condemning others for it.

 

[soldier of light]

Being celibate doesn't mean that you don't lust. Personally, I find such claims to be sanctimonious.



You're assuming that it needs excusing.

Everyone has lust. Don't act like you don't. People lust for material things, power, and pleasure. I don't. When I have impure thoughts I cast them out like scripture teaches us. But why is it OK for a woman to have lust in her heart for men and to dress like a prostitute to entice them? She wants men to lust after her. Why is that ok but a man giving her what she wants is wrong? It's all wrong.

 

[soldier of light]

I don't judge men for their lust. Why should I? I judge them for sanctimoniously condemning others for it.

John said the lust of flesh and the eyes, and the pride of life is from the world not from God

 

[soldier of light]

I don't judge men for their lust. Why should I? I judge them for sanctimoniously condemning others for it.

I didn't become celibate to be holier than thou. I did it to escape lust. I didn't like the thoughts I had. I would rather stay celibate for the rest of my life. My body is a temple and I love Jesus.

 

[partinobodycular]

Everyone has lust. Don't act like you don't.

You're free to believe whatever you want to, I have no need to defend my character. I'll let God do that if He so chooses. I have more important things to worry about then what other people think about me.

People lust for material things, power, and pleasure.

Indeed they do, and I suppose that you're going to judge them as well. How many unjudged people have you got left? I suggest that you leave the judging to God, and do what He commanded you to do... love thy neighbor.

But why is it OK for a woman to have lust in her heart for men and to dress like a prostitute to entice them? She wants men to lust after her. Why is that ok but a man giving her what she wants is wrong? It's all wrong.

Whoa, when did I say that it's wrong for anybody to lust? I'm way too busy trying to fulfill Micah 6:8 to spend my time worrying about such frivolous things.

Perhaps your time would be better spent thinking about what that 'Love thy neighbor' thing actually means.

 

[soldier of light]

You're free to believe whatever you want to, I have no need to defend my character. I'll let God do that if He so chooses. I have more important things to worry about then what other people think about me.



Indeed they do, and I suppose that you're going to judge them as well. How many unjudged people have you got left? I suggest that you leave the judging to God, and do what He commanded you to do... love thy neighbor.



Whoa, when did I say that it's wrong for anybody to lust? I'm way too busy trying to fulfill Micah 6:8 to spend my time worrying about such frivolous things.

Perhaps your time would be better spent thinking about what that 'Love thy neighbor' thing actually means.

So lust is ok as long as you don't say it's wrong? That's what you seem to be suggesting. The Bible said it's wrong. Don't contradict the word

 

[partinobodycular]

John said the lust of flesh and the eyes, and the pride of life is from the world not from God

Yeah, so what? You're living in the world... I got that bit. Shouldn't that make you more forgiving of people's foibles, not less so?

I didn't become celibate to be holier than thou. I did it to escape lust. I didn't like the thoughts I had. I would rather stay celibate for the rest of my life. My body is a temple and I love Jesus.

Well, good for you, but do you think that that makes you better than me? Do you think that God thinks that that makes you better than me?

 

[partinobodycular]

You do not have a clue to life, do you!

I'm a solipsist, so obviously not. But I can read a book, and I've read yours, or more precisely God's.

 

[soldier of light]

Yeah, so what? You're living in the world... I got that bit. Shouldn't that make you more forgiving of people's foibles, not less so?



Well, good for you, but do you think that that makes you better than me? Do you think that God thinks that that makes you better than me?

My friend I'm only sharing the knowledge in scripture. I'm not looking down on anyone. I struggled with lust myself so how can I look down on anyone? But we still preach the word. That's not judging, that's preaching