Why prophets write

[zjones90]

"For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." 2 Ne 25:23

Why did the prophets write? To bring us to Christ, for they knew Him personally and knew that "there is none other name given under heaven save it be this Jesus Christ . . . whereby man can be saved." 2 Ne 25:20

 

[cybrwurm]

wuts "Ne" ?

 

[zjones90]

"Ne" is short for "Nephi". This reference comes from the book of Nephi in the Book of Mormon.

 

[cybrwurm]

and who is this Nephi person?

 

[zjones90]

Like the Bible, the Book of Mormon is a compilation of books by different men, most of whom were prophets. Nephi is the first writer, hence the first book is called the first book of Nephi.

Near about 600 B.C. Nephi's family lived in Jerusalem. His father, Lehi, was one prophet, along with Jeremiah and others, who were warned by the Lord of the impending Babylonian exile. Lehi was warned in a dream to take his and another family and flee into the wilderness. After over eight years of travelling in the dessert, they arrived at the shore of the Indian Ocean in Oman. They built a ship and sailed to America where they settled and eventually began a new civilization.

After that, Nephi and others kept their records on plates of ore. Eventually a prophet-historian, Mormon, compiled and abridged those records on plates to form the Book of Mormon.

So, while prophets, and eventually, the apostles were writing the books that now make up the Bible in the Old World, there were prophets writing about Christ here in the New World.

 

[cybrwurm]

] zjones90 say: ... there were prophets writing about Christ here in the New World.
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wurm say: how many centuries contributed to this collection of historical-docs on metallic pages?

 

[zjones90]

From about 600 b.c. until 435 a.d., 10 centuries. (thanks for correcting me)

 

[josephearl]

Do people really believe the book of Ne or any Mormon writings at all for that matter? It goes against everything known about the nature of Gods ways, they have no proof, and the canon was closed before the date of completion of 435AD given in the post above to name just a few.

Obviously the work of a false prophet the sum of the doctrine of these writings in no way shape or form resembles the most basic teachings of the Bible or apostolic fathers it is anti-Christian. Satan himself could quote scripture or present God's truths in a way that was meant to lead men astray from the simplicity of the Gospel.Why do you think they call them doctrines of demons! The point being just because it sounds Christian don't make it so.

The real Bibles individual books in the real Christian Bible or the Hebrew Tanakh have more historical support for their accuracy then any other manuscript in existence. This is beyond question. One example: the accuracy of the OT is so incredible when viewed against what is found in the writings of the Dead Sea scrolls that for one to challenge its validity or purity in being kept uncorrupted down through the centuries is impossible for any sane thinking person.Then we know also there are thousands of ancient manuscripts just for the NT. Mormonism has none. Except by the words of a false prophet.
Frankly they could dig up a whole chest of manuscripts in New York and I could careless. I don't follow the gnostics because they wrote stuff and its still around.
There is a lot of balderdash out there be wise.

Breaking down. Mormonism cannot stand and will not. Ever. It is not of God.
And what really is the point of starting this thread here? I would think its proper place is unorthodox theology.

 

[zjones90]

I admire your diligence in defending your faith in Christ! I wish you could see that the Book of Mormon and the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints do not in any way contradict your belief in Christ. The foundation of everything that is taught in the Book of Mormon is Christ. Every page is filled with testimonies of him.

I think the only part of your belief that the Book of Mormon contradicts is your belief that the canon of scripture is closed. The Book of Mormon, if it is true, is evidence that the canon of scripture is not nor ever will be closed. Whenever Christ's prophets or apostles are on earth they will write His words and that is scripture.

In the Book of Revelation, John says w soul not add to this book. Many Christians, not all, take that to mean the Bible. But Jig was referring only to the book he was writing. Deuteronomy says the same thing. Why would Christ reveal His word to prophets for for millennia and suddenly stop for the last two? He always follows the same pattern of teaching His children and that will never change.

Lastly, you say the Book of Mormon can't be true because of a lack of archeological evidence to support it. First there is plenty of evidence in digs and research done in both South America and the Middle East. But does that matter? Since when do we base our testimonies of Christ or His word on scientific evidence. When someone tells you that science proves there is no God, does that affect your belief? No! Through prayer, study and experience, you know with out a doubt that Christ use your Savior. You know the Bible is His word. I know the same thing and it it's because of faith and experience. I also have prayed about the Book of Mormon and know it is true I felt an undeniable witness from the Spirit that no one can take from me. I know Christ is my Savior and I know it because I have felt His life and power in my life. I also know it because I know that both the Bible and Book of Mormon are true. Because I know these books are true I know that Good reveals His gospel to prophets ancient and modern and I know Joseph Smith was one such prophet. Does that make sense to you why I believe what I believe? My testimony of Christ is made no less by it, in fact, I feel privileged to have even more accounts of God's love contained within the Book of Mormon and other scripture. I am not ashamed of Christ and I am not ashamed to be a member of His Church organized in the same way as the ancient church, with prophets and apostles, revelation and scripture. All I can say is come and see. Read the Book of Mormon and pray perhaps you may join your witness with millions of others who have prayed and received a witness and know it is true. They have all been blessed by that testimony as have I.

 

[cybrwurm]

> On Feb18 josephearl say: <snip> And what really is the point of starting this thread here?
> I would think its proper place is unorthodox theology.
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wurm say: Really, j? Look again at the opening-post:
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] zjones90 quoted from the book of mormon: Why did the prophets write? To bring us to Christ,
] for they knew Him personally and knew that "there is none other name given under heaven
] save it be this Jesus Christ . . . whereby man can be saved." ... "For we labor diligently to
] write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled
] to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." 2Ne.25:20&23
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wurm: I don't see anything here that belongs in the unorthodox theology forum, josephearl ...
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Do you?
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] zjones90 say: From about 600 b.c. until 435 a.d., 8 centuries.
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wurm: 6bc to 4ad is TEN centuries by my count. Are you sure you have *all* your facts straight?

 

[josephearl]

As a matter of fact I do see unorthodoxy here. You quote a verse from Nephi as if it is Christian scripture and it is not. And frankly I find it disgusting the number of times a so called follower of Jesus trys to teach others that Morminism is Christian. It is a polytheistic hodge-podge of gods and blasphemes the truth by its perverse teachings that men become gods and then engage in eternal sex.

A faithful Mormon will get a resurrected body of flesh, have eternal sex and be a God one day too just like God did
Is this or is this not a doctrine of Mormonism?

Do you affirm or deny the virgin birth of Jesus?

Are God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit one god in three persons or three seperate gods?

Did God the Father and God the Mother have sex and produce millions of spirit children?

 

[cybrwurm]

> wurm wrote: ... I don't see anything here that belongs in the unorthodox theology forum, josephearl ... Do you?
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] On 20Feb josephearl replies: As a matter of fact I do see unorthodoxy here.
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wurm say: And yet none of the "perverse teachings" you mention are present in the text that zjones90 and I just quoted. Therefore your impassioned objections have NO relevance to the current topic ... which is why prophets write. In other words: You do NOT see any unorthodoxy *there*! And that is the text that friend zjones90 and I are discussing. If you have nothing pertinent to say regarding the topic at hand, then why don't you just find a more interesting thread in another forum, eh?
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] j: You quote a verse from Nephi as if it is Christian scripture and it is not.
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I did no such thing, josephearl. I just quoted what zjones90 wrote. He may think that they are scripture, but I don't. That's why I asked him what Ne is. Right, josephearl? You don't have to worry that he's going to convert me; if that's what you're upset about.
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] j: And frankly I find it disgusting the number of times a so called follower of Jesus trys to teach
] others that Mormonism is Christian. It is a polytheistic hodge-podge of gods and blasphemes
] the truth by its perverse teachings <snip>
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But we aren't even discussing *any* of that, josephearl. Discussions of *that* nature obviously belong in the unorthodox theology forum. Hey dude, I do believe that you are the one braking the forum-rules!

 

[josephearl]

well if I misunderstood you cyberwurm it is due to the unorthodox manner in which you type. The symbol for quotes will leave it looking like this...

Hay hay hay

and you do not use it so I misunderstood who you were representing. I thought you were another Mormon trolling for some fish to take his nasty bait. God alone knows how many people have gotten sucked straight down through the Moroni gate of hell, I was trying to make sure it was not one more