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Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong
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cenimo
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Horse****
The Coalition forces aren't the ones mutiliating POW's, firing from behind white flags and ambulances, using five year olds as human shields, hiding behinf women and children, etc...
The lies are coming from the "anti-war" side.
Most of the ills of the woprld are casued by people having no concept of the meaning of the word fear. I'm not talking about fear of losng a job or similar, I'm talking about fear as in being on the receiving end of AK 47 fire.
Most of the people that produce this anti-war tripe sit in offices and coffehouses and think it up. Thir real life experiences are as limited as their vision. that is why they are so easily duoed by socialist and gloallist fronts that will gladly use them up and spit them out.
Wake up.
The Coalition forces aren't the ones mutiliating POW's, firing from behind white flags and ambulances, using five year olds as human shields, hiding behinf women and children, etc...
The lies are coming from the "anti-war" side.
Most of the ills of the woprld are casued by people having no concept of the meaning of the word fear. I'm not talking about fear of losng a job or similar, I'm talking about fear as in being on the receiving end of AK 47 fire.
Most of the people that produce this anti-war tripe sit in offices and coffehouses and think it up. Thir real life experiences are as limited as their vision. that is why they are so easily duoed by socialist and gloallist fronts that will gladly use them up and spit them out.
Wake up.
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I'm with cenimo, Horsepucky. Pure lies!
Can't believe everything you read. It's just propaganda to flame anti war flames.
Can't believe everything you read. It's just propaganda to flame anti war flames.
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cenimo
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The author says:
So much for his here's why. It's been documented and reported on the news that most of the anti-war rallys in the US are sponsored by, put together by, funded by, and run by anti-American socialist groups.
In fact that info is on one these posts in this very category.
The way the devil and his agents work Jutsuka, is to take a little bit of the truth as a lead in and then twist it.
So much for his here's why. It's been documented and reported on the news that most of the anti-war rallys in the US are sponsored by, put together by, funded by, and run by anti-American socialist groups.
In fact that info is on one these posts in this very category.
The way the devil and his agents work Jutsuka, is to take a little bit of the truth as a lead in and then twist it.
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The source posted at the top of the page is certainly questionable. But lets try a little experiment here. I'm going to take Cenimo's post and replace his comments about liberals and anti-war types with comments about conservatives and pro-war types, then we'll see what happens (changed words are in all-caps):
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The lies are coming from the "PRO-war" side.
Most of the ills of the world are casued by people having no concept of the meaning of the word fear. I'm not talking about fear of losng a job or similar, I'm talking about fear as in being on the receiving end of AK 47 fire.
Most of the people that produce this PRO-war tripe sit in offices and BARS and think it up. Thir real life experiences are as limited as their vision. that is why they are so easily duped by FACIST and globallist fronts that will gladly use them up and spit them out.
Wake up.
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Nope! I can find no appreciable change in truth values. The argument works just as well. the fact is it doesn't take anymore guts to support a war than it does to oppose it. And the majority of people who weigh in on either side of the issue will never have to face the realities of war. Those who have indeed faced them are not garunteed any real insight on the politics which led to the war either. So, in the end the personal comparisons leave us nowhere, and people have to look at the issues. Gratuitous commentary about leff wing gullibility is just one more way of ducking those issues.
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The lies are coming from the "PRO-war" side.
Most of the ills of the world are casued by people having no concept of the meaning of the word fear. I'm not talking about fear of losng a job or similar, I'm talking about fear as in being on the receiving end of AK 47 fire.
Most of the people that produce this PRO-war tripe sit in offices and BARS and think it up. Thir real life experiences are as limited as their vision. that is why they are so easily duped by FACIST and globallist fronts that will gladly use them up and spit them out.
Wake up.
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Nope! I can find no appreciable change in truth values. The argument works just as well. the fact is it doesn't take anymore guts to support a war than it does to oppose it. And the majority of people who weigh in on either side of the issue will never have to face the realities of war. Those who have indeed faced them are not garunteed any real insight on the politics which led to the war either. So, in the end the personal comparisons leave us nowhere, and people have to look at the issues. Gratuitous commentary about leff wing gullibility is just one more way of ducking those issues.
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Rae
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Hm...not too long ago, someone posted on here an article by Pat Buchanan where he opposed the war. When did Pat become a Leftist, and why are people still assuming you have to be on the Left to oppose this war? Many Unitarian Universalists, just about as Left as you can get religion-wise, support it. Buchanan and other Rightists oppose it.
This is not a left-right issue to anyone who isn't just trying to smear the opposition, I think, given the evidence that both sides are diverse in their objections.
This is not a left-right issue to anyone who isn't just trying to smear the opposition, I think, given the evidence that both sides are diverse in their objections.
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Pat Buchannan is an isolationist as well. He would rather the US just put up a wall(or dome) and live apart from the rest of the world and really doesn't give a hoot about what goes on elsewhere. As the world's only superpower, America has a responsibility that Pat won't acknowledge.
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I got as far as the old, crusty, mossy, tired canard that the government knew the attack on Pearl Harbor was coming, and let it happen anyway.
That's where I quit reading. If I want to read fables, I'll get out my copy of Grimm's Fairy Tales.
That's where I quit reading. If I want to read fables, I'll get out my copy of Grimm's Fairy Tales.
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Well now, Cenimo, it's easy enough to call me an agent of the Devil. Quite a convenient excuse to avoid making an honest attempt to address the issue.
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I don't disagree with anything you said, Outlaw. However, his isolationism doesn't make him a leftist, and he does oppose the war. 
Of course Brimshack isn't an agent of the Devil. I'm a double agent for the Devil, feeding him false information, and I have all of the agents logged for my employer, Ozma of Oz! Brimshack isn't one of them.
But I'm not telling who is.
Of course Brimshack isn't an agent of the Devil. I'm a double agent for the Devil, feeding him false information, and I have all of the agents logged for my employer, Ozma of Oz! Brimshack isn't one of them.
But I'm not telling who is.
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Doctrine1st
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These events are proven to be true:
1. Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
2. Told in advance by Hussein that he might invade Kuwait in 1990, but we did nothing to deter him.
3. No Iraqi troops were visible near the Saudi border just empty desert.
4. G Bush Sr. continued to coddle Saddam Hussein long after the very gassing incident that is now being used as a pretext for the current war, and how the Reagan-Bush administration went out of its way to arm Iraq
I dont know about the rest of them, but I see no one has taken the liberty to address Jutsuka's challenge to prove that these claims are wrong, and just reject them out right instead.
Now I seriously ask, for all those who think this is outright do you think, given the history of some past events that came to light, that it is beyond the U.S. Government to lie about these or any events to promote whatever agenda it may be?
1. Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
2. Told in advance by Hussein that he might invade Kuwait in 1990, but we did nothing to deter him.
3. No Iraqi troops were visible near the Saudi border just empty desert.
4. G Bush Sr. continued to coddle Saddam Hussein long after the very gassing incident that is now being used as a pretext for the current war, and how the Reagan-Bush administration went out of its way to arm Iraq
I dont know about the rest of them, but I see no one has taken the liberty to address Jutsuka's challenge to prove that these claims are wrong, and just reject them out right instead.
Now I seriously ask, for all those who think this is outright do you think, given the history of some past events that came to light, that it is beyond the U.S. Government to lie about these or any events to promote whatever agenda it may be?
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cenimo
Jesus Had A 12 Man A-Team
Brimshack
I had already posted "agents of the devil" in post #5 here before you made your comments about tweaking what I said...looks like this time he used you to put up that post and then let you walk into the trap
John 8:44
John, 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
I had already posted "agents of the devil" in post #5 here before you made your comments about tweaking what I said...looks like this time he used you to put up that post and then let you walk into the trap
John 8:44
John, 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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So all the actions in my first post are true? Then what makes you think the American goverment isn't lying about this war? Any takers?
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Doctrine1st
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You won't get any takers.
Alot of those here are like the over zealous parent who will look the other way and claim their child does no wrong and defend them in shear ignorance and denial, rather than bringing the child's blantant inappropiate actions to light in a effort to make the child, a better child.
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Anti-war people love to twist the truth too. How many civilians are supposed to die again? I think it was figured in 1000's.
Why did the volunteering human shields who paraded into Iraq went home when they didn't want to shield the military targets.
Q. What was they trying to shield?
A. civilian areas like hospitals that they knew did not need human shields in the first place. It was just another staged anti-war propaganda stunt. Even Saddam didn't want them in the end.
Why did the volunteering human shields who paraded into Iraq went home when they didn't want to shield the military targets.
Q. What was they trying to shield?
A. civilian areas like hospitals that they knew did not need human shields in the first place. It was just another staged anti-war propaganda stunt. Even Saddam didn't want them in the end.
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"Alot of those here are like the over zealous parent who will look the other way and claim their child does no wrong and defend them in shear ignorance and denial,"
You've got to be joking. Just because we support the current administrations desicions means we support what has been done in the past? Give me a break. Every president since the ones before washington have had something going on behind the curtins. To not think so would be completely silly. But then again, so what? They have more information then we do, they are ELECTED officals and thus we should trust them until such time they should be impeached for good reason. I see none thus far and the majority of america agrees with me
You've got to be joking. Just because we support the current administrations desicions means we support what has been done in the past? Give me a break. Every president since the ones before washington have had something going on behind the curtins. To not think so would be completely silly. But then again, so what? They have more information then we do, they are ELECTED officals and thus we should trust them until such time they should be impeached for good reason. I see none thus far and the majority of america agrees with me
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