Yes, Romans teaches quite clearly regarding Israel and Gentiles:
The Promise Granted Through Faith
Rom 4:13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,
Rom 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
Rom 4:17 (as it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations") in the presence of Him whom he believed--God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;
Rom 4:18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, "So shall your descendants be.
Lets skip ahead to chapter 11 of Romans:
Rom 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 "LORD, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life"?
Rom 11:4 But what does the divine response say to him? "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal."
Rom 11:5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Rom 11:8 Just as it is written:
"God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day."
Rom 11:9 And David says:
"Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always."
Israel's Rejection Not Final
Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Rom 11:12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
Rom 11:14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Rom 11:19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
Rom 11:22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
Rom 11:27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins."
Rom 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Rom 11:30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
Rom 11:31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
Rom 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 "For who has known the mind of the LORD?
Or who has become His counselor?"
Rom 11:35 "Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?"
Rom 11:36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
When we study the Book of Romans in its fullness heres what we find if we were to make a basic outline:
Chapters 1-8 ~ Faith and doctrine
1-3 Sin
4-5 Salvation
6-8 Sanctification
Chapters 9-11 ~ Hope
9 Israel Past
10 Israel Present
11 Israel Future
Chapters 12-16 ~ Love
Personal and practical application
So I do beg to differ Simon, we, Gentile Believers are NOT Spiritual Israel. Israel is Israel.
Now
we do learn in Galatians:
Sons and Heirs
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Does this mean that here on earth I am no longer a Gentile woman? I no longer need heed the role God has placed me in? No, it doesnt. What it means is that IN CHRIST I am a legitimate heir to His Kingdom just as any "son". Just like salvation is not of the Gentiles and any Jew that accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is no more saved or special than I am. Its all level ground at the cross.
I think Paul had to admonish Peter on that ideology. Peters feeling that saved Jews were more worthy somehow than saved Gentiles kinda thingy. And God had to deal with Peter on that as well...(cf Acts 10)
God does recognize division...YES every tribe, tongue and nation. After all
He created the divisions
Act 17:26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
Act 17:27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying:
"You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
Rev 13:6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth--to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people--
which seem to continue to be recognized right up to the New Jerusalem:
The Glory of the New Jerusalem
Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Rev 21:23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
And just to touch back on topic
Please consider:
Rev 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
To whom is Jesus speaking here? The "Church" at Philadelphia. Christian Believers
.those that:
Rev 3:8 "I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. (consider how difficult it is now to proclaim the Name of Jesus Christ without scorn and disdain of the world)
Which could very well be comprised of many people from many nations
Gentiles, Jews, men, women
all faithful ambassadors of Jesus Christ
will be kept from the time of trial The Great Tribulation.
Those who staunchly hold to mid or post trib Rapture (if any Rapture at all) consider that because the Body of Christ (the Church) will not be Raptured but yet remains, that Rev 3:10 means that Believers at this time will endure (persevere) and are kept from as in protected by God during the Great Tribulation
.
.I submit for consideration that theology would be contradictory to what Scripture tells us further in Revelation
as Gentile believers in the Tribulation are not protected during this time
and they are in fact KILLED. Rev 7:9-17; 11:7; 13:7,15; 17:8; 20:4
So some may consider verse 10 is talking about the Jews
its the remnant of Israel that will be protected during the Great Tribulation
which I personally considered for a moment as well
EXCEPT
who are the Seven Letters to the Seven Churches written to? The Body of Christ. And if we were to basically outline the Book of Revelation, what we would find is the first 3 chapters are written to the Church the rest
is for Israel and the Unsaved.
The last time of trial or testing for Israel and all the peoples who are left on earth. And this is where we see the Remnant of Israel really stand out
(cf Romans 9; 11:5)
Rev 7:1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
Rev 7:2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
Rev 7:5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
Rev 7:6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
Rev 7:7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
Rev 7:8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.
These are the only Believers protected by God during the Great Tribulation.
If we truly wish to learn about Gods plan for the Church, Israel, the Rapture, Christs return and so
we can try and piecemeal things together and try to fit them into our particular church view
OR we can spend time in prayerful study of the Book of Revelation
where ALL the pieces are put together quite nicely.
And FWIW, and I mean no disrespect Simon
but as you have made point of repeatedly
that a pre-mil/pre-trib view is just something weve all made up to comply with our own understanding regardless of Biblical support
I submit
any other view
mid-trib/post-trib views do more so than any other
because:
To hold to these views in full measure, one would also have to hold to Replacement Theology, an amillennial view and consider the Book of Revelation is allegorical or historical only
or disregard the Book of Revelation completely
even though God tells us right from the start Revelation is PROPHETICAL:
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
And Im sorry but
IMHO
to say that one does not hold to Replacement Theology and then proceed to say that the Church is now spiritual Israel
seems kinda contradictory to me in light of the full measure of Gods Word.
