Why Paul?

[GLJCA]

I used the verses that show the position of the gentile in the age YOU are putting them in...but you cant even seem to grasp the obvious. Which means you are setting yourself in opposition to the TRUTH. My oh my. NOT a good place to be in, my friend.

These verses actually SHOW dispensational teaching...LOL

Eph 2: 11, 12, 13 and verse 7 is where God spells out TIMES PAST, BUT NOW , AND AGES TO COME.

These ARE the divisions God places in His Word where He is dealing with the Nation Israel and the church, which is His BODY. The ONLY Place He is dealing with the church which is His Body is in the "BUT NOW"...which is the parenthetical MYSTERY PROGRAM not included in the prophetic program given to Israel. Israels program is the Times PAST and AGES TO COME...with the MYSTERY sandwiched in between.

Your bible is even laid out in that manner, to make it EASY for you to SEE the difference.

Gen thru ACTS = God dealing with the nation Israel = Times PAST

Romans thru Philemon = God dealing with the church, which is His Body=
BUT NOW.

Hebrews thru Rev = God resuming His program with Israel =Ages to COME.

How could Eph 2:12 be applicable to the Gentiles yet Eph 2:13-19 not be applicable to the Gentile?

Why would you want to show that they WERE aliens but now are made nigh by the blood of Christ?

Again if we pick and choose only the scriptures that apply to our belief we can prove anything to be true to the unlearned, but one who studies his bible can see the error.

GLJCA

 

[eph3Nine]

John said:

He just "does not get" that Paul is speaking of a spiritual baptism=identification into His death(not water)=when He died, we died; when He was buried, we were buried; and when he was raised, we were raised; and a spiritual circumcision("made without hands"=God), and that "the circumcision of Christ" was the spiritual circumcision of Christ at the cross, i.e., his soul was "cut off", severed/separated(physical circumcision was the "cutting off"/"severing" of the flesh of the male foreskin from the body) from his body, and his soul went to hell. Similarly, we are separated both positionally from who we were "in Adam", and now we are "in Christ", and separated from our former walk in "the body of the sins of the flesh", as we are "putting off" these, and "putting on" Christ. This is the positional and practical result of Christ's spiritual circumcision. And the focus of Colossians chapter 2 is the distortion of Christianity by legalism("complete in Christ" vs. "rudiments of the world"......)!

Ironic,isn't it? He spiritualizes the "land promises" to Israel(as just one example), and literalizes the one spiritual Eph. 4:5 baptism into water.


"In other words baptism is the NT equivalent of the OT circumcision"

I wonder if he will explain just how females were circumcized in the OT. Does baptism in water for females in the NT replace their circumcision in the OT? Watch the spin.

Yea, funny aint it? Baptism is identification with...and ours is DRY...whats so hard about that? Many dry baptisms in scripture...meaning to be identified with. Folks just wont let go of that H2o will they????? tehe

 

[GLJCA]

GLJCA wrote:

It is also very dangerous NOT to do as God instructed and NOT rightly divide.

Water has NOTHING to do with Gods plan of salvation for today. We are baptized (identified WITH) into His Body...no water, but an ACT of the Holy Spirit.

You are very very confused. And preaching another gospel.

I am definitely preaching the gospel that Peter, Paul and all the other apostles preached and it is definitely not the gospel that you are preaching.

GLJCA

 

[eph3Nine]

John said:

Ironic,isn't it? He spiritualizes the "land promises" to Israel(as just one example), and literalizes the one spiritual Eph. 4:5 baptism into water.

ONE Lord, ONE faith, and ONE baptism. The baptism by the Holy Spirit makes ONE...adding water makes two. I aint too smart but I do know that one and one makes two and not ONE!

Arent ya glad that God can count? LOL LOL

 

[eph3Nine]

Heres another good one.