Why not now?

[Bethwhite]

Jesus says on the day that He appears for us, people will be eating, drinking, planting, building, marrying.

That's certainly like now.

Paul said that THEY will be saying, "Peace and Security".

That's EXACTLY like now (Netanyahu and Obama in Israel, saying those exact words on this very day).

Israel is back in her land so all the prophecies about Israel and the end times can now come to pass.

There's absolutely NOTHING standing in the way of the Lord's appearance for the church and the beginning of the final 3 1/2 years of wrath!

 

[Bethwhite]

In fact, Daniel 11/12 PROVES the time IS now.

486BC - 13AD = 500 years (1/2 a time)
13AD to 2013AD = 2000 years (times)
2013AD to 3013AD = 1000 years (time)


Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half


The END OF THESE WONDERS IS THE RESURRECTION THAT WE KNOW FROM REVELATION 20 OCCURS AT THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM.

THE BEGINNING OF THESE WONDERS WAS BETWEEN THE 3rd and 4th PERSIAN KING - DANIEL 11.

THAT'S A 3500 YEAR TIME SPAN, DIVIDED INTO THREE TIME PERIODS. - TIME, TIMES, 1/2 a TIME.

 

[mog144]

Jesus says on the day that He appears for us, people will be eating, drinking, planting, building, marrying.

That's certainly like now.

Paul said that THEY will be saying, "Peace and Security".

That's EXACTLY like now (Netanyahu and Obama in Israel, saying those exact words on this very day).

Israel is back in her land so all the prophecies about Israel and the end times can now come to pass.

There's absolutely NOTHING standing in the way of the Lord's appearance for the church and the beginning of the final 3 1/2 years of wrath!

What passage mentions all of these in one line? The prophecy says that the end-times will be like that in the days of Noah when they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, I don't recall this passage mentioning other things in that one line of scripture. God must have a specific reason for noting these two things. Eating and drinking: the U.S. is 66% obese. What other country has this problem as it's been noted about America? None!

Marrying and giving in marriage: I don't think that I even need to mention today's issues about marriage...

It's obvious to me how you avoid the truths by placing greater emphasis on misinterpretations. I'm offering food for thought, take it as you wish.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Will see sweet heart. But you can't say that it's going to happen for sure the way you think it is. The American Church is going to feel the heat of anti-Christ. No better way to separate the wheat from the chaff. Then by seeing who in fact truly is born of GOD...when Pharaoh-Necho\Nebuchadnezzar\anti-CHrist Obama..what ever we wish to call it. Heat's up the furnace of persecution on the American luke warm Christian mega church building dwellers. Who have pastors making 200,000 thousand dollars a year. We'll all know real quick who's for real and is not. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I hope I for an earlier departure. But am also prepared the best I can in mind for the possibility we may not.

 

[Bethwhite]

What passage mentions all of these in one line? The prophecy says that the end-times will be like that in the days of Noah when they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, I don't recall this passage mentioning other things in that one line of scripture. God must have a specific reason for noting these two things. Eating and drinking: the U.S. is 66% obese. What other country has this problem as it's been noted about America? None!

Marrying and giving in marriage: I don't think that I even need to mention today's issues about marriage...

It's obvious to me how you avoid the truths by placing greater emphasis on misinterpretations. I'm offering food for thought, take it as you wish.

Nope. No misinterpretations on my part.

Luke 17:26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.

 

[Bethwhite]

Will see sweet heart. But you can't say that it's going to happen for sure the way you think it is. The American Church is going to feel the heat of anti-Christ. No better way to separate the wheat from the chaff. Then by seeing who in fact truly is born of GOD...when Pharaoh-Necho\Nebuchadnezzar\anti-CHrist Obama..what ever we wish to call it. Heat's up the furnace of persecution on the American luke warm Christian mega church building dwellers. Who have pastors making 200,000 thousand dollars a year. We'll all know real quick who's for real and is not. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I hope I for an earlier departure. But am also prepared the best I can in mind for the possibility we may not.

Nope. The Church (born again, blood-bought believers) will be gathered prior to wrath. The devil is on earth during the time of wrath.

1 Thess 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

Daniel 11:36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Nope. The Church (born again, blood-bought believers) will be gathered prior to wrath. The devil is on earth during the time of wrath.

1 Thess 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

Daniel 11:36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

Well i''m guaranteed to be leaving when they do...because I am one!

 

[Bethwhite]

Well i''m guaranteed to be leaving when they do...because I am one!

AMEN!

 

[Bethwhite]

If the 21st or 22nd is 5 days before Passover, I expect to be gathered this year.

If so, I'll see you up there, standing amongst the great multitude, doing what it says we'll be doing just after we are gathered!

Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”


Just like they did 5 days before Passover when Jesus went to the cross:


John 12:12 The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. 13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting,
“Hosanna!”

“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”

“Blessed is the king of Israel!”

 

[mog144]

Nope. The Church (born again, blood-bought believers) will be gathered prior to wrath. The devil is on earth during the time of wrath.

1 Thess 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

Daniel 11:36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

Didn't you post a passage that says the elect will be sealed and protected by God? The elect are the rulers who harvest the multitude and the elect must be harvested first, there's two harvests. There will be elect Godly rulers, not all Christians will be equal in this sense. The elect are the elect and the multitude are not the elect. Your theology equates all to be the same and that's satan's agenda!

You say that satan is on earth during the period of wrath; you said that the elect will be raptured before the wrath comes. It sure seems to me that God's wrath came as the 'Dust Bowl' and a number of events over the past period since the 1859 CME. If you don't believe that the Dust Bowl events were not God's wrath, then what was the Dust Bowl?

If satan is on Earth during the period of wrath, then you are saying that he is NOT here now!

Albeit there's more to address, you are all over the place with erroneous timeline figures. Some of the things that you say are accurate but as I said before, you miss the target completely. You even misinterpret things that I write. I suggest that you slow down on the threads and do some research.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Now is as good a time as any. I am ready, come what may. Come Lord Jesus.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Jesus says on the day that He appears for us, people will be eating, drinking, planting, building, marrying.

That's certainly like now.

Paul said that THEY will be saying, "Peace and Security".

That's EXACTLY like now (Netanyahu and Obama in Israel, saying those exact words on this very day).

Israel is back in her land so all the prophecies about Israel and the end times can now come to pass.

There's absolutely NOTHING standing in the way of the Lord's appearance for the church and the beginning of the final 3 1/2 years of wrath!

That's how it's been for the last two thousand years. There's nothing special about 2013 in this regard.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Bethwhite]

Didn't you post a passage that says the elect will be sealed and protected by God? The elect are the rulers who harvest the multitude and the elect must be harvested first, there's two harvests. There will be elect Godly rulers, not all Christians will be equal in this sense. The elect are the elect and the multitude are not the elect. Your theology equates all to be the same and that's satan's agenda!

You say that satan is on earth during the period of wrath; you said that the elect will be raptured before the wrath comes. It sure seems to me that God's wrath came as the 'Dust Bowl' and a number of events over the past period since the 1859 CME. If you don't believe that the Dust Bowl events were not God's wrath, then what was the Dust Bowl?

If satan is on Earth during the period of wrath, then you are saying that he is NOT here now!

Albeit there's more to address, you are all over the place with erroneous timeline figures. Some of the things that you say are accurate but as I said before, you miss the target completely. You even misinterpret things that I write. I suggest that you slow down on the threads and do some research.

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The elect for whom this great tribulation is cut short is in Revelation 7.

Satan has not been cast down to the earth for his "short time". That moment is when the church is removed (Rev 12).

The 1859 Coronal Mass Ejection event has nothing to do with the final 3 1/2 years. As far as the rest of your post, there's nothing else to say.

 

[Gnarwhal]

It's the height of arrogance and ignorance to believe that our generation is somehow superior to all of those that have preceded us in the 2,000 years of church history.

If the Father decides it's time for Christ's return, so be it, but it's just as likely to be 5,000 years from now.

The point of eschatology is not to break codes and decipher "hidden messages" in Scripture (no, that's gnosticism—"secret knowledge"—which was proven a heresy over 1,600 years ago). The point of eschatology is to understand where all of this is headed and how we can be a part of all of it. God is restoring the heavens and the earth through Christ's resurrection, he's bringing everything back into harmony with himself. This act will be completed when Christ returns, the new heaven and new earth will become one for eternity.

The point of eschatology is to realize the above, and actively participate in it's happening now. It's a process that has been carrying on since Christ's resurrection and it will continue on through to his return. As followers of Christ, our highest calling is to be a part of that by sharing the good news that God is making all things new. We can connect with the efforts that are being made to bring clean and safe drinking water to remote villages in developing nations that don't have it, we can donate our time and skills to taking care of orphans who are desperately in need of it all around the world, we can put our effort into stopping human trafficking and rehabilitating the millions people who are affected by it.

That's eschatology.

 

[Bethwhite]

It's the height of arrogance and ignorance to believe that our generation is somehow superior to all of those that have preceded us in the 2,000 years of church history.

No, it's not.

Some things could not be understood until now, that's all.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

If the Father decides it's time for Christ's return, so be it, but it's just as likely to be 5,000 years from now.

No, it's not. God told us the end from the beginning. There's only 7000 years of human history recorded in Scripture. About 6000 years has already passed.

The point of eschatology is not to break codes and decipher "hidden messages" in Scripture (no, that's gnosticism—"secret knowledge"—which was proven a heresy over 1,600 years ago). The point of eschatology is to understand where all of this is headed and how we can be a part of all of it. God is restoring the heavens and the earth through Christ's resurrection, he's bringing everything back into harmony with himself. This act will be completed when Christ returns, the new heaven and new earth will become one for eternity.

The point of eschatology is to realize the above, and actively participate in it's happening now. It's a process that has been carrying on since Christ's resurrection and it will continue on through to his return. As followers of Christ, our highest calling is to be a part of that by sharing the good news that God is making all things new. We can connect with the efforts that are being made to bring clean and safe drinking water to remote villages in developing nations that don't have it, we can donate our time and skills to taking care of orphans who are desperately in need of it all around the world, we can put our effort into stopping human trafficking and rehabilitating the millions people who are affected by it.

That's eschatology.

Eschatology - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of ESCHATOLOGY

1
: a branch of theology concerned with the final events in the history of the world or of humankind

2
: a belief concerning death, the end of the world, or the ultimate destiny of humankind; specifically : any of various Christian doctrines concerning the Second Coming, the resurrection of the dead, or the Last Judgment

 

[mog144]

...No, it's not. God told us the end from the beginning. There's only 7000 years of human history recorded in Scripture. About 6000 years has already passed....

Beth, what is it that is now understood that wasn't before?

Then, you say that God told us the end from the beginning and you attribute a time frame to the interpretation...

Beth, it's quite obvious that you don't even know what the end and the beginning are! They are not a space of the timeline but rather the Father and the Son, the Beginning and the Ending! The First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, etc, etc.

So, what are you understanding? Please, spare me your rhetoric speech!!!

 

[mog144]

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The elect for whom this great tribulation is cut short is in Revelation 7.

Satan has not been cast down to the earth for his "short time". That moment is when the church is removed (Rev 12).

The 1859 Coronal Mass Ejection event has nothing to do with the final 3 1/2 years. As far as the rest of your post, there's nothing else to say.

You have a lot to learn yet, Beth!!!

 

[samarinka]

Jesus says on the day that He appears for us, people will be eating, drinking, planting, building, marrying.

That's certainly like now.

Paul said that THEY will be saying, "Peace and Security".

That's EXACTLY like now (Netanyahu and Obama in Israel, saying those exact words on this very day).

Israel is back in her land so all the prophecies about Israel and the end times can now come to pass.

There's absolutely NOTHING standing in the way of the Lord's appearance for the church and the beginning of the final 3 1/2 years of wrath!

That's if you take the pre-trib position though, isn't it?
For the post trib perspective which almost everyone this side of the pond takes, the whole antichrist scenario would have to kick in a bit.

I'll start worrying when the big brother society gets even worse, when there is talk about paying with a chip inplant that you must qualify for... And persecution of Christians is not at the required level as well.

Perhaps Christianity must really decline so that only a remnant is left that actually knows the Bible.

As it is now, if somebody started talking about 666 and world peace in a creepy combination, enough people would know to get suspicious. It might be that a few more generations need to pass and the state of Christianity needs to decline even more.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

That's if you take the pre-trib position though, isn't it?
For the post trib perspective which almost everyone this side of the pond takes, the whole antichrist scenario would have to kick in a bit.

I'll start worrying when the big brother society gets even worse, when there is talk about paying with a chip inplant that you must qualify for... And persecution of Christians is not at the required level as well.

Perhaps Christianity must really decline so that only a remnant is left that actually knows the Bible.

As it is now, if somebody started talking about 666 and world peace in a creepy combination, enough people would know to get suspicious. It might be that a few more generations need to pass and the state of Christianity needs to decline even more.

we'r save as long as the labour party dont get in again.

 

[Bethwhite]

That's how it's been for the last two thousand years. There's nothing special about 2013 in this regard.

-CryptoLutheran

In fact, Daniel 11/12 PROVES the time IS now.

486BC - 13AD = 500 years (1/2 a time)
13AD to 2013AD = 2000 years (times)
2013AD to 3013AD = 1000 years (time)


Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half


The END OF THESE WONDERS IS THE RESURRECTION THAT WE KNOW FROM REVELATION 20 OCCURS AT THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM.

THE BEGINNING OF THESE WONDERS WAS BETWEEN THE 3rd and 4th PERSIAN KING - DANIEL 11.

THAT'S A 3500 YEAR TIME SPAN, DIVIDED INTO THREE TIME PERIODS. - TIME, TIMES, 1/2 a TIME.

That's if you take the pre-trib position though, isn't it?
For the post trib perspective which almost everyone this side of the pond takes, the whole antichrist scenario would have to kick in a bit.

I'll start worrying when the big brother society gets even worse, when there is talk about paying with a chip inplant that you must qualify for... And persecution of Christians is not at the required level as well.

Perhaps Christianity must really decline so that only a remnant is left that actually knows the Bible.

As it is now, if somebody started talking about 666 and world peace in a creepy combination, enough people would know to get suspicious. It might be that a few more generations need to pass and the state of Christianity needs to decline even more.

The tribulation, as Jesus defined it, began when Israel was desolated and is cut short "immediately" before the 6th seal, when wrath begins.

We've been in the tribulation for almost 2000 years. It is wrath (the antichrist is around during wrath) that we are not appointed to suffer.