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Why Not Celebrate Terminal Cancer?

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This is a refrain I've seen from a handful of atheists. Essentially, the idea is that because heaven is eternal paradise and earth, well, isn't, Christians should be ecstatic about any natural cause that would cause their death (as suicide is clearly not an option - but this is clearly god determining over life and death, rather than humans). Terminal brain cancer, car accidents, you name it. A Christian shouldn't be unhappy when they get a prognosis of "a few months before you die", they should be happy that they get to be reunited with God that much sooner.

This, obviously, is not how most believers think. I'm pretty sure there's something pretty obvious that I'm missing in scripture as to why this attitude isn't commonly held, but I'm not quite sure what it is. Can anyone help me out on this one?
 

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If that were true Christ would have worked only to get people saved. He wouldn't have bothered with all the healings, teachings and deliverances. But He came to give "abundant life" (Jn 10)

We are indeed told in 1Thess that we shouldn't grieve like those who have no hope, but that doesn't mean there may not be a sense of loss when leaving this world. One of Christ's cardinal commands was that we love one another, so there is a separation.

Another aspect is whether we feel our work here is done. In Philippians 1 Paul deals with this issue and admits he is torn, but that ultimately he knows that because his work is not done he will not be going home quite yet.
 
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This is a refrain I've seen from a handful of atheists. Essentially, the idea is that because heaven is eternal paradise and earth, well, isn't, Christians should be ecstatic about any natural cause that would cause their death (as suicide is clearly not an option - but this is clearly god determining over life and death, rather than humans). Terminal brain cancer, car accidents, you name it. A Christian shouldn't be unhappy when they get a prognosis of "a few months before you die", they should be happy that they get to be reunited with God that much sooner.

This, obviously, is not how most believers think. I'm pretty sure there's something pretty obvious that I'm missing in scripture as to why this attitude isn't commonly held, but I'm not quite sure what it is. Can anyone help me out on this one?

The apostle Paul wrote,

Philippians 1:21-23
21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell.
23 For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.


Paul did not look on his departure from this world as a negative thing at all. To "be with Christ" was "far better" than remaining on earth to continue his labors on behalf of the Early Church. He did not recoil from the prospect of his death because he was fully convinced that life in the hereafter was much superior to life on the temporal plane. Consider what he wrote to the Roman church:

Romans 8:16-18
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


Paul expected an incomparably glorious future on the far side of death. Clearly, he was not thinking of his passing from this world as an evil event. If we take our cue from Paul, the atheist is correct that Christians should be happy about the prospect of dying.

The majority of professing Christians today, however, are 1.) Not genuinely born-again disciples of Christ and/or 2.) Not sold out to Christ. When the believer truly sees Christ as their life, when he is the heart of the believer's existence and the ultimate goal of all their efforts, he quite naturally becomes what the believer most desires. Thus the hope of seeing him face-to-face, of being in his awesome presence, which only death can accomplish, overrides any natural fear of death that the believer may have.

Too many Christians, though, have as great or greater affection for their families, friends, possessions, hobbies, etc, as they do for their Saviour. And when death threatens to cut us off from these things, we become fearful, and sorrowful, and despairing. But remember what Jesus said:

Matthew 10:37-39
37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.


Selah.
 
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Although it may not directly answer your question, you might like Robert Browning's An Epistle Containing the Strange Medical Experience of Karshish, the Arab Physician, which imagines what Lazarus's attitude might have been after dying and coming back: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173010
 
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This is a refrain I've seen from a handful of atheists. Essentially, the idea is that because heaven is eternal paradise and earth, well, isn't, Christians should be ecstatic about any natural cause that would cause their death (as suicide is clearly not an option - but this is clearly god determining over life and death, rather than humans). Terminal brain cancer, car accidents, you name it. A Christian shouldn't be unhappy when they get a prognosis of "a few months before you die", they should be happy that they get to be reunited with God that much sooner.

This, obviously, is not how most believers think. I'm pretty sure there's something pretty obvious that I'm missing in scripture as to why this attitude isn't commonly held, but I'm not quite sure what it is. Can anyone help me out on this one?

I think your question prepossesses a somewhat Gnostic approach to Christianity; not your fault of course, this is one of the biggest problems in modern Christendom.

For most of the ancient Gnostic sects they maintained a duality between matter and spirit, with the world of matter being at best irrelevant and at worst evil while the world of spirit was good and true. To that end the eschatological goal of the Gnostic was to escape the imprisonment of the soul in the body and return to the world of pure spirit. To achieve that goal it was necessary to have the right knowledge (gnosis) by knowing oneself as not a lowly creature of matter but as a being of spirit, a pure soul which, tragically, has been imprisoned in a material body due to the ignorance of the Demiurge (variously called Ialdaboath or Saklas), often associated in Gnostic cosmology with the Jewish God YHVH.

In contrast the historic orthodox Christian faith has maintained that this world is the good creation of the good Creator God revealed to ancient Israel as YHVH. This God has made Himself known by becoming one of us, by becoming human, as Jesus Christ of Nazareth; who came to rescue the world. That this world is being redeemed, made new, restored. That Christ's death and resurrection brings new creation, and the hope of the Christian is in the future resurrection of the dead (bodily) when Christ comes again and makes all things new, all creation restored, and we dwell right here on God's green earth for all eternity. The New Testament consistently talks about new creation and resurrection, but doesn't have much of anything to say about what happens between death and resurrection; consistently in the writings of the ancient fathers, in the Creeds, and taught right down to the present time is that Christians hope for resurrection and life everlasting in the age to come--not some disembodied existence far and away in a place called "Heaven".

Yet, somehow within the last hundred or two hundred years Christianity in the West started focusing less on resurrection and more on what happens after we die, and this place called "Heaven" where popular imagination started to place us on fluffy white clouds strumming harps like baby cherubs in old paintings.

And so now one may, indeed, hear sermons and statements by modern Christains that speak of death not as a tragedy that is overcome by Christ and His (and later our) resurrection; but death is spoken of as a mere door opening us up to the world of heavenly bliss. Death is not the tyrant as in historic Christian teaching, but a companion that leads us to the world of celestial wonder away from this dirty rotten world.

And so your question is a reasonable one considering the quasi-Gnostic sentiment of much of modern Western Christianity, my response would be to criticize modern departure from historic Christian teaching and go back to the historic Creeds of the faith, to the biblical teaching on the meaning of the Incarnation, the death, resurrection, ascension, and coming again of Jesus, and the hope of God setting all things right and taking this world and making it into the good and better world renewed and refreshed in Jesus Christ. After all, the most central prayer of the Christian religion is the one Christ taught us to pray in which we say, "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

We do not look for something "up there" but for what God will do down here.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I think your question prepossesses a somewhat Gnostic approach to Christianity; not your fault of course, this is one of the biggest problems in modern Christendom...blah blah
-CryptoLutheran
TL;DR. Sorry.
 
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This is a refrain I've seen from a handful of atheists. Essentially, the idea is that because heaven is eternal paradise and earth, well, isn't, Christians should be ecstatic about any natural cause that would cause their death (as suicide is clearly not an option - but this is clearly god determining over life and death, rather than humans). Terminal brain cancer, car accidents, you name it. A Christian shouldn't be unhappy when they get a prognosis of "a few months before you die", they should be happy that they get to be reunited with God that much sooner.

This, obviously, is not how most believers think. I'm pretty sure there's something pretty obvious that I'm missing in scripture as to why this attitude isn't commonly held, but I'm not quite sure what it is. Can anyone help me out on this one?

It is a good thing to be made spiritually complete with the Lord and pass on from this world. But we have a commission here to fulfill, and it should be our desire to spend as much time on earth as possible to spread the Gospel and apply the Word of God in our lives. Also we have families and loved ones here who we are sad to part from, even if we will see them again. Even Christ wept at the death of Lazarus, and that's even when he knew he was going to resurrect him shortly. It's because he knew the pain death causes for those left behind on earth.
 
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Personally as a Christian I don't fear death, but I see life as a great adventure, as I involve God more in life I see he wants us to prosper in the natural life. I enjoy looking after my son, and wife, I enjoy life. But hey if I die it will be good too, but not just yet, too many responsibilities on this earth.
 
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A Christian shouldn't be unhappy when they get a prognosis of "a few months before you die", they should be happy that they get to be reunited with God that much sooner.

Most Christians do view death as more of a promotion than a punishment. I have actually seen many Christians die very peacefully and without fear, even though it was technically "before their time."

When my mom was diagnosed with cancer for the first time in 1973, I was only a small child. She was in the hospital bed, when she felt God was telling her to get out of the bed and pray.

God: "Jackie, I want you to get out of the bed and get on your knees, and thank me for letting you get cancer."

Mom: "I will do no such thing!"

God: "Jackie, get out of the bed, get down on your knees, and thank me for letting you get cancer."

My mom was filled with bitterness and anger for a while, but God was patient and would not let up. So finally, she gave in and humbly thanked the Lord for letting her get cancer, not even understanding why she was doing it.

But I'm here to tell you: Getting cancer was one of the best things that ever happened to my mom.

Because my mom got cancer:

* She was retired from the military with full benefits.

* This enabled her to both support me and herself and stay home with me to protect me.

* She also was able to go to school because of military benefits later to study for a career that was less physically demanding

Anyway, I guess it may seem sort of crazy, but sometimes Christians really are thankful for cancer! :)
 
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This is a refrain I've seen from a handful of atheists. Essentially, the idea is that because heaven is eternal paradise and earth, well, isn't, Christians should be ecstatic about any natural cause that would cause their death (as suicide is clearly not an option - but this is clearly god determining over life and death, rather than humans). Terminal brain cancer, car accidents, you name it. A Christian shouldn't be unhappy when they get a prognosis of "a few months before you die", they should be happy that they get to be reunited with God that much sooner.

This, obviously, is not how most believers think. I'm pretty sure there's something pretty obvious that I'm missing in scripture as to why this attitude isn't commonly held, but I'm not quite sure what it is. Can anyone help me out on this one?

For me, the answer is simple. I love my family also. While not fearing death, I also wish to enjoy my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren and hopefully impart God's truths into them.
 
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Personally I would love to have terminal cancer, but I guess I have to complete God's plan for me first... Wait, atheists don't have one. So why don't you celebrate death?
*wants to make a GIF of a happy elf singing "Because we're afraid of dying"*
 
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