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Cause and effect:So prove it. Don't be so coy. I believe in God and His authorship of the universe already, and believe that can only be known through faith, not science, but I would be interested to see what you've got.
Didn't I just tell you that? I believe in God, the father almighty, maker of heaven and earth and of all things both visisble and invisible. Really, it's not hard to figure out where I stand on this issue.Well what do you believe? that God created the world Himself?
Who do you think created the natural laws and the matter which they govern?You seem to be all over the place brother. First you said it was due to the natural laws which govern the univers, and now you're saying faith?! Are you a Christian? An Evolutionist Christian?
What's an Angilican?
Who do you think created the natural laws and the matter which they govern?
No idea what an Angilican is, but I'm somewhat surprised you don't know what an Anglican is since, as far as I know, they are outnumbered in Chrisitian denominations only by Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox community.You seem to be all over the place brother. First you said it was due to the natural laws which govern the univers, and now you're saying faith?! Are you a Christian? An Evolutionist Christian?
What's an Angilican?
Muslim literatureCause and effect:
- Christian literature
- Christian edifices
- Christian testimonies
- Christian holidays
- Christian martyrs
No idea what an Angilican is, but I'm somewhat surprised you don't know what an Anglican is since, as far as I know, they are outnumbered in Chrisitian denominations only by Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox community.
You all assert that the universe and earth and life on earth happened randomly and by chance, so I asked if this is a fair statement.
Does matter + Energy + Entropy (randomness) = Life?
I have not checked every one of your posts, but the only one I could find was directed at Speedwell. You said this:I'll check back in later and see if anyone came up with a summary of 5 sentences for me.
But can you tell me, as a Christian, which of the four is the real set of evidence?All of those things testify to the existence of the belief, not the truth of it.
You're kidding me!?None of the above.
That is a different question altogether. Your original assertion was that they were evidence. If you accept the existence of Christian literature, edifices, testimonies, holidays and martyrs as evidence of the truth claims of Christianity, why do you not accept the existence of Hindu literature, edifices, testimonies, holidays and martyrs as evidence of the truth claims of Hinduism?You're kidding me!?
As a Christian yourself, you can't see that three of those sets are lies, and one is the truth?
For example, do you believe both the Koran (Muslim) and the Bible (Christian) are lies?
More precisely, cause-and-effect evidence.That is a different question altogether. Your original assertion was that they were evidence.
Clearly? So you are saying that a Christian martyr goes to his death truly believing, but a Hindu martyr is only pretending to believe?More precisely, cause-and-effect evidence.
The same kind Jesus used to convince John the Baptist:
Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
And the same kind Jesus used to convince Thomas:
John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
In the above passage, according to your logic, anyone showing Thomas like scarswouldshould be just as convincing, even if the scars are clearly fakes.
Yes, clearly.Clearly?
No.Speedwell said:So you are saying that a Christian martyr goes to his death truly believing, but a Hindu martyr is only pretending to believe?
And I challenge the educated elite to put their claims under a microscope and show otherwise.
Yes, but the martyrdom itself is not evidence of the truth of the belief. The Christian and the Hindu are both martyrs, irrespective of the truth of their beliefs.Yes, clearly.
And I challenge the educated elite to put their claims under a microscope and show otherwise.
No.
I'm saying the Christian believer is believing the truth, whereas a Hindu martyr is believing a lie.
And I suspect you'll agree with me.
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