why no eternal marriage

[Sketcher]

The Bible tells us that marriage is a foreshadowing, or a type of the relationship that we have with Christ. When we are with Christ, that relationship will be fulfilled in perfection. There will be no more need for the foreshadowing.

Just as he said. Marriage is a picture for us on Earth for what all our intimacy with God will be like in Heaven. When we get to Heaven, marriage will be obsolete. It won't be missed, it will be replaced with an upgrade.

 

[MikeMcK]

mike you're too aggressive for me id prefer it if you didnt answer any of my posts from now on. thanks.

What's so aggressive about that? You said that you believe in one god. I merely asked which one, since your religion teaches that there are many.

Then, you pointed out that Mormons worship the same god as Christians do. I simply pointed out that Mormons worship a god with a completely different nature than Christians do.

That's not aggresive, that's just pointing out facts.

For the record, you also called XianJedi "hostile" when he didn't say anything even remotely hostile to you, so I've got to believe that the problem may lie in your perception of those who disagree with you.

 

[HypnoToad]

if our families werent there it wouldnt be quite like heaven i dnt think.
i consider us t be worshipping the same God but the way you see Him is different to us. same God, different views.

i only believe in 1 God

and i think my family will be there b/c without them there it isnt really Heaven is it?family makes me happy... and heaven is a place of happiness... so my family will be with me. right?

Could you please answer my question - where are you getting the idea that your family wouldn't be there?

 

[BloodFire]

b/c my family wouldnt be my family exactly as you say theyd not be married to me so all that time we spent together on earth and lived worked and so on all in vain... no i dnt think so. but theres a difference between my family through marriage and my general family.. i want to spend my afterlife with my hubby

mike i dnt care if someone disagrees wit me its the tone that is used. different culture an all my mama would have a heart attack if she was spoken to this way LOL
if you read my profile it says quite simply i take it with a pinch of salt... i dont take it literally. i dnt think there are many gods. who can know God tho?

i spose i might be beginnin to lose my beliefs now. gotta love anti-mormonism.

 

[tapero]

Not sure why others don't see what I'm seeing in this thread.

Bloodfire is a very tenderhearted person and is seeking answers to sincere questions.

Just as Christians have different thoughts and struggles in their walk with Christ.

So might others in their faith.

I pray that we might consider this in this thread as we write.

 

[MikeMcK]

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[MikeMcK]

if you read my profile it says quite simply i take it with a pinch of salt... i dont take it literally. i dnt think there are many gods. who can know God tho?

So then, if you don't believe what Mormonism teaches, why are you a Mormon? That's a little silly, don't you think? To base your life and gamble your eternity on a religion you don't even believe?

i spose i might be beginnin to lose my beliefs now. gotta love anti-mormonism.

We're not anti-Mormon, we're pro-Christ.

 

[BloodFire]

So then, if you don't believe what Mormonism teaches, why are you a Mormon? That's a little silly, don't you think? To base your life and gamble your eternity on a religion you don't even believe?

no i still believe it.. jst not the becoming gods and all.. i take it metaphorical.. like how i take the "bride of Christ" as being metaphorical

We're not anti-Mormon, we're pro-Christ.

so am i

 

[BloodFire]

Not sure why others don't see what I'm seeing in this thread.

Bloodfire is a very tenderhearted person and is seeking answers to sincere questions.

Just as Christians have different thoughts and struggles in their walk with Christ.

So might others in their faith.

I pray that we might consider this in this thread as we write.

thanks babe
yeah i dnt know as much about christian thoguht and all as i thought i would.. so i came here.. there are questions i feel i want answering..didnt pay attention in RE.. LOL kids eh?

i a bit know more abt the Bible than christian thought and tradition and christianity though.. bt not as much as i should!!!

 

[MikeMcK]

no i still believe it.. jst not the becoming gods and all.

I see. And do you also disagree with the teaching that Jesus was a man who became a god by keeping Heavenly Father's laws?

How about the one that says that Jesus is a created being, brought about by the physical union of Father God and Mary?

Baptism for the dead?

Works for salvation? Grace only after "all you can do"?

Jesus purchasing the atonement in the Garden of Gethsemene, instead of on the cross?

That god lives on a planet behind the moon called Kolob?

Exaltation, or the idea that we can become gods, is the chief end of Mormonism.

 

[BloodFire]

I see. And do you also disagree with the teaching that Jesus was a man who became a god by keeping Heavenly Father's laws?

yep. exactly what defines a god?

How about the one that says that Jesus is a created being, brought about by the physical union of Father God and Mary?

yep.

Baptism for the dead?

nope. 1 Corinthians 15:29

Works for salvation? Grace only after "all you can do"?

James 2:20, 2:26

Jesus purchasing the atonement in the Garden of Gethsemene, instead of on the cross?

oh thats the seperation from God.. we believe he suffered twice.. once by seperation once by crucifixion

That god lives on a planet behind the moon called Kolob?

doesn't mean He does literally.. it says its near to his throne. that comes from a misunderstanding abt mormonism. i was speaking to a missionary abt it on Sunday.. my birthday. i spent 6 hours in a mormon church. i need a hug. LOL. he said it means its important to God... or one of the centre planets in the universe.. sth important and old!

Exaltation, or the idea that we can become gods, is the chief end of Mormonism.

genesis 3:5, psalm 82:6, john 10:34. what is a god, exactly?

 

[MikeMcK]

nope. 1 Corinthians 15:29

Read the whole passage. Paul is preaching against the pagan practice of baptism for the dead, not in favor of it.

James 2:20, 2:26

Again, read the whole passage. This passage isn't teaching works as a means of salvation, but that works are an indication of one's salvation.

If you believed this teaching of grace only after "all we can do", then not only would you have to say that Romans 11:6, Galatians 2:21, Ephesians 2:8 are false, then Jesus must also have been lying when He said that the debt is paid.

oh thats the seperation from God.. we believe he suffered twice.. once by seperation once by crucifixion

But, once again, this is where Mormonism differs from Christianity. The Bible is clear that Jesus purchased the atonement on the cross, not in the Garden.

doesn't mean He does literally.. it says its near to his throne.

Mormonism teaches that it's literal.

But you believe that God lives on this planet that's near His throne?

I suppose He's just looking for an easy commute to work.

genesis 3:5

Are you sure you want to go with this one?

You do know, don't you, that this isn't God speaking, but Satan?

The fact that you would take the words of Satan deceiving Adam and Eve, to back up your religion's belief, says a lot.

psalm 82:6, john 10:34

The passage in Pslams isn't saying that anyone is literally a god. It is speaking of the judges of Israel and their authority to speak on God's behalf.

Jesus, in the passage in John is quoting the Psalms verse to mock the religious leaders, not to tell them that they will become gods.

what is a god, exactly?

Since Mormonism teaches that men can become gods in the same way that God became a god, it means that Mormonism teaches that we wil be divine beings with the same abilities, nature, and authority as Father God.

Which, of course, brings us back to the words of Satan that you cited earlier as evidence for your religion's teachings...

 

[BloodFire]

erm. you got me there. LOL
im not qualified to answer those.. im not strong enough as a mormon or wise enough.

 

[SimonWalker]

Getting back to the original question of what happens to marriage in heaven;

Revelation 21:1-5

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away".

As metioned before in previous posts the old order of things will pass away. It is true that marriage as we see iand experience it today is a foreshadow of the relationship that we will have with God when he comes again. As for you feeling unhappy for your husband not being there, pay special attention to the verse that says God will wipe away all tears. There will be no suffering or pain any longer. The only way that your husband will be there will be if he becomes a Christian. Every person has the ability to chose for themselves. If someone choses to reject God they will be punished accordingly. It sounds very bleak but God is right in judging those who turned their backs on him. If you are accepted into heaven and your husband is not you will not feel pain but comfort that you have made the right choice. Your husband has to make up his own mind regarding this matter.

However for those who chose to seek a relationship with God, who accept Christs sacrifice on our behalf and repent of our sins, we shall be in paradise, where the new order will be established, a perfect order where we shall once again live in perfect harmony with our creator and King.

 

[BloodFire]

how do we know being the bride of Christ isnt metaphorical.. LOL it sounds like aliens.. i dunno.. i still dont think its right though... not really.

 

[dvd_holc]

I don't know if this said yet...but the relationship of God and humanity is a marriage. We don't have eternal marriage of 1 man and 1 wife because we weren't meant to be joined to that one other person but God. The covenants of God are a marriage contract for His bride. We are the bride of Jesus.

 

[SimonWalker]

A lot of Revelations is metaphorical. in its description of the bride it is referring to the Church, that is the full gathering of beleivers.

 

[Criada]

Hi Bloodfire.

To get back to your original question - if your husband has accepted Jesus as his Saviour, then of course he will be in heaven with you.
But in heaven, we will be with God, who satisfies all our desires, needs and longings. Beside that, our human relationships will seem very unimportant! And we will be one with each other - with all other christians in a way we cannot even begin to imagine.
I can't even begin to understand it, but I know that when I am with Him, it will all be clear. And there will be no more pain or sadness - so He will arrange it so we don't miss any part of our earthly life.
Heaven is so far removed from anything we can imagine - we just have to trust God that it will be so much better than anything we have now!
God wants to bless you, not make you miserable!
The most important thing is that you know you are saved - let God sort out the rest!

Bless you
I pray that He will draw you closer to Him, and give you the peace of His salvation.

 

[SimonWalker]

Nice. Very Nice. Couldn't have said it beter myself

 

[heron]

But in heaven, we will be with God, who satisfies all our desires, needs and longings. Beside that, our human relationships will seem very unimportant! And we will be one with each other - with all other christians in a way we cannot even begin to imagine.

Yes-- Jesus didn't say that we couldn't see them, and didn't mention any time limits on being with people we loved. Unless, as SimonWalker pointed out, the person isn't there.

You might enjoy some near-death accounts of people who believed they saw heaven. These seem fairly consistent with each other, and show heaven as a place where you make choices who you spend time with, and where you go.

Within Heaven's Gates
by Rebecca Springer
(presented with admission that the experience might be a dream/vision)
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Remember that love and devotion is not always mutual. Who would want to be stuck for eternity with an emotionally abusive spouse! I think it's wonderful to know that many people will find relief and a fresh start.

• In the year 2001, more than half a million American women (588,490 women) were victims of nonfatal violence committed by an intimate partner.7

• Nearly one-third of American women (31 percent) report being physically or sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives, according to a 1998 Commonwealth Fund survey.4

• Nearly 25 percent of American women report being raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date at some time in their lifetime, according to the National Violence Against Women Survey, conducted from November 1995 to May 1996.5

http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/

... not to mention elder abuse...

"According to the best available estimates,
between 1 and 2 million Americans age 65
or older have been injured, exploited, or
otherwise mistreated by someone on whom they depended for care or protection."

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Do we really wish for an eternal commitment to other people?
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