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I have never seen any study that demonstrates that Christians are any different, as a group, to non-Christians (Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, etc.). They're no more or less healthy (mentally or physically), better citizens, more law-abiding, considerate, 'good', and so forth; their marriages are no better; their relationships are no better; they don't make more money, they're not better educated...there's no discernable difference.

This seems to me strange. If Christians are, in fact, the only group who has the Truth, why is this not reflected in the world in which they live? The fact that it's not would seem to me to indicate that Christianity is no closer to the Truth than any other religious belief (or lack thereof).
 

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Well there is this:

http://www.dukemednews.org/av/medminute.php?id=1603
http://www.apa.org/releases/teen_religiosity.html
http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9899/Nov16_98/17.htm
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/139/story_13945_1.html

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Numerous studies published in peer-reviewed journals have shown that religious faith and participation in organized religion offer benefits for healthy aging. People with a strong personal faith who regularly attend religious services generally have lower blood pressure; are less likely to suffer from depression; have a greater sense of well-being; have stronger immune systems; and live longer-23% longer, according to a long-term study by Dr. William Strawbridge and other researchers published in the American Journal of Public Health in 1997.

Religious faith seems to increase the ability of older people to cope with illness, disability, loss, and their own mortality. In a study published in 1992 in the American Journal of Psychiatry, Dr. Harold G. Koenig, Director of the Center for the Study of Religion/Spirituality and Health at Duke University, and colleagues surveyed men hospitalized with serious illness. They found that those men who used religion to cope with their illness had much lower rates of depression and reported a better quality of life than those using nonreligious coping methods or who reacted negatively to their situation. In addition, religious people seem to spend less time in the hospital. In a study published in the Southern Medical Journal in 1998, Dr. Koenig and colleagues found that subjects who attended church at least once per week were 43% less likely to have been admitted to the hospital in the preceding year than non-churchgoing subjects. Plus, any hospital stays they did have were markedly shorter.

Data like this seem particularly meaningful in light of the growing expenses of our healthcare system, which will worsen as the baby boomer generation ages. Dr. Koenig believes that doctors ought to take a spiritual history of patients with serious medical illness," he says. "It is important for a doctor to know how a person's religious beliefs could help or hinder their ability to cope with their illness." He also thinks there needs to be more of a connection between health care systems and religious communities.

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* Facts & Figures
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o Regular churchgoers tend to live longer, an average of seven years longer than those who never attend church.1
o Religious practice is related to emotional health. Research suggests "after gender (girls are more likely to attempt suicide than boys), religiousness is the second strongest inhibitor of ... suicide attempts."2
o Church attendance can be a predictor of family stability. Those children who, "at age 18, attend religious services with approximately the same frequency as their mothers," have "significantly better relationships" with their mothers five years later, as reported by the mothers.3
o Married couples benefit from religious practice. Studies have linked more frequent church attendance to lower levels of divorce proneness.4
o Couples that pray together, stay together--happily. Married couples that pray together respect each other more, trust each other more, and are more helpful to each other around the house. 5In fact, one study found "75 percent of those who pray say that the marriage is very happy, as opposed to 57 percent of those who do not pray."6
o Research shows that regular church attendance can reduce the likelihood of violence toward a spouse.7
o Fathers who attend church are more involved with their families. Studies show that religion is related to levels of paternal involvement in "one-on-one engagement, dinner with one's family, and volunteering for youth-related activities." In fact, "religion appears to make a unique contribution to paternal involvement" in the "specific attention that religious institutions dedicate to family life."8
o Religious faith remains strong among America's youth. The Institute for Youth Development reports that "94 percent of teenagers say they believe in God" and "nearly 9 in 10 teens consider their religious beliefs important to them."9
o Students who attend church regularly tend to perform better in school. In a study of 10th-graders, "higher levels of involvement in church activities likely signifies ... a motivation toward education that leads to better math and reading skills."10
o Religious practice has positive effects for people of all ages. College students who scored high on a "spiritual well-being" scale, compared with their lower-scoring counterparts, exhibited healthier psychosocial profiles in areas of self-esteem, loneliness, marijuana use, alcohol use, and feelings of hopelessness.11
o Most Americans approve of faith-based groups working in their community. A Gallup poll found that almost 70 percent of respondents "believe that faith-based organizations do the best job of helping youth in the community."12
o The work of faith-based organizations in reaching at-risk youth is essential. Results from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health "found that the active involvement of a caring adult is the best defense against delinquency, academic failure, substance abuse, and other problems" in adolescents.13


Footnotes

1. Robert A. Hummer, Richard G. Rogers, Charles B. Nam, and Christopher G. Ellison, "Religious Involvement and U.S. Adult Mortality," Demography, Vol. 36, Number 2, May 1999, pp. 273-285.
2. Michael J. Donahue and Peter L. Benson, "Religion and the Well-Being of Adolescents," Journal of Social Issues, Vol. 51, 1995, pp. 145-160.
3. Lisa D. Pearce and William G. Axinn, "The Impact of Family Religious Life on the Quality of Mother-Child Relations," American Sociological Review, Vol. 63, 1998, pp. 810-828.
4. Alan Booth, David R. Johnson, Ann Branaman, and Alan Sica, "Belief and Behavior: Does Religion Matter in Today's Marriage?" Journal of Marriage and the Family, Vol. 57, 1995, pp. 661-671.
5. Andrew M. Greeley, Faithful Attraction: Discovering Intimacy, Love, and Fidelity in American Marriage (New York, NY: Tom Doherty Associates, 1991).
6. Greeley, Faithful Attraction
7. Christopher G. Ellison, John P. Bartkowski, and Kristin L. Anderson, "Are There Religious Variations in Domestic Violence?" Journal of Family Issues, Vol. 20, 1997, pp. 87-113.
8. W. Bradford Wilcox, "Religion, Convention, and Paternal Involvement," Journal of Marriage and the Family, Vol. 64, 2002, pp. 780-792.
9. Joseph Loconte and Lia Fantuzzo, "Churches, Charity, and Children: How Religious Organizations Are Reaching America's At-Risk Kids," Center for Research on Religion and Urban Civil Society Report 2002, p. 10, at http://www.heritage.org/loader.cfm?url=/commonspot/security/getfile.cfm&PageID=39395.
10. Mark D. Regnerus, "Shaping Schooling Success: Religious Socialization and Educational Outcomes in Metropolitan Public Schools," Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, Vol. 39, 2000, pp. 363-370.
11. Jon Hammermeister and Margaret Peterson, "Does Spirituality Make a Difference: Psychosocial and Health-Related Characteristics of Spiritual Well-Being," American Journal of Health Education, Vol. 32, Number 5, September-October, 2001, pp. 293-297.
12. Loconte and Fantuzzo, "Churches, Charity, and Children," p 10.
13. Loconte and Fantuzzo, "Churches, Charity, and Children," p. 8.
 
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czzy beat me to it. There are a large amount of spurious factors involved but in most cases (especially among Mormons), there is a correlation between religiousity and health. This actually mainly comes from the community aspect of congregations. First, those who are more social tend to be in better mental health when dealing with stress, etc. Also the church provides many connections which can directly effect ones job prospects. These factors aren't exclusive to churches, but with them being large aggregates of people with a common interest, they tend to create many social connections very fast. Those not of faith are often more isolated and this tend to cut them off from such connections.
 
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This seems to me strange.
It does? It seems strange to you that Christians are human beings, like the rest of the population?

Sure, some Christians may claim to have exclusivity on Truth, but what does knowing or having access to the Truth have to do with their overall ability to practice that truth? Even those who make these claims will readily admit, I'm sure, that they're "sinners" just like everyone else, and they continually fail to meet the standards of the Truth they are privelage to.

And for the other Christians, they don't claim to have exclusivity or full understanding of the truth, so I have to assume you're speaking to only a portion of Christianity's members.
 
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I believe that the rewards Christians reap are in the next life (in other words, we shall receive them after we die). I don't buy into the "here and now" thing...I think God intended this existence as a struggle so that we can prove ourselves to Him. Life isn't meant to be easy -- anyone that's had a loved one die by the hand of another human being can attest to that.

Our rewards are for the next life...so of course any legit unbiased scientific analysis of Christians as a social group probably won't yield any discernable differences. The studies posted above give evidence only that Christians seem to far better in adverse situations at different times in their lives because of what they believe. DUH. We have hope, of course we're going to be a bit more tenacious than someone who has nothing in which to believe. (Why is everyone so surprised by that??!?)
 
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The Bellman said:
I have never seen any study that demonstrates that Christians are any different, as a group, to non-Christians (Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, etc.). They're no more or less healthy (mentally or physically), better citizens, more law-abiding, considerate, 'good', and so forth; their marriages are no better; their relationships are no better; they don't make more money, they're not better educated...there's no discernable difference.

This seems to me strange. If Christians are, in fact, the only group who has the Truth, why is this not reflected in the world in which they live? The fact that it's not would seem to me to indicate that Christianity is no closer to the Truth than any other religious belief (or lack thereof).
Christians aren't the Way, the Truth, or the Life.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Key difference.
 
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For what it's worth, some groups do have discernable differences. I've often heard it claimed that Quakers have massively disproportionate social influence, and rarely claimed that the influence is anything but positive.

Why? I think because they/we reject the things that I think lead some Christian groups into error.
 
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The Bellman said:
I have never seen any study that demonstrates that Christians are any different, as a group, to non-Christians (Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, etc.). They're no more or less healthy (mentally or physically), better citizens, more law-abiding, considerate, 'good', and so forth; their marriages are no better; their relationships are no better; they don't make more money, they're not better educated...there's no discernable difference.

This seems to me strange. If Christians are, in fact, the only group who has the Truth, why is this not reflected in the world in which they live? The fact that it's not would seem to me to indicate that Christianity is no closer to the Truth than any other religious belief (or lack thereof).
James 2:12-13, "Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!" (NIV)


The "truth" is that "mercy triumphs over judgment" for every human being, regardless of religion, and Christian do not have an exclusive on God. There is not any "religion" that can save a human soul and this includes the Christian religion. It is Christ who saves, not religion, and the Christian religion will never save anyone.

Christ will judge all people, including Chrisitans, exactly the same way. Just look at the sheep and the goats some time, it is the judgment of Christ, in his own words, and religious beliefs aren't even mentioned.


Matthew 25:31-46
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37 "Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40 "The King will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41 "Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44 "They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45 "He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (NIV)
 
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The Bellman said:
I have never seen any study that demonstrates that Christians are any different, as a group, to non-Christians (Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, etc.). They're no more or less healthy (mentally or physically), better citizens, more law-abiding, considerate, 'good', and so forth; their marriages are no better; their relationships are no better; they don't make more money, they're not better educated...there's no discernable difference.

This seems to me strange. If Christians are, in fact, the only group who has the Truth, why is this not reflected in the world in which they live? The fact that it's not would seem to me to indicate that Christianity is no closer to the Truth than any other religious belief (or lack thereof).

Modern Christians, sure. It wasn't always like this. I think within the last few centuries they have found Christian communities without illness, et cetera.

In the early centuries of Christianity I believe their was something special going on, which is why I spread as quickly as it did. It drifted away and we became no different than the rest of the world.
 
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The Bellman said:
I have never seen any study that demonstrates that Christians are any different, as a group, to non-Christians (Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, etc.).
You should get out more. ;)

Here is a report on a study that shows that both the deeply believing Christians and nontheists confident in their lack of belief share a positive correlation with health and subjective reports of satisfaction with life compared with agnostics and the mildly religious.

http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/klivingston_faith-reason-good-life.asp

The article is a bit long, but it's worth reading. :)
 
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The Bellman said:
I have never seen any study that demonstrates that Christians are any different, as a group, to non-Christians (Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, etc.). They're no more or less healthy (mentally or physically), better citizens, more law-abiding, considerate, 'good', and so forth; their marriages are no better; their relationships are no better; they don't make more money, they're not better educated...there's no discernable difference.

This doesn't mean they are less happy. You can't judge happiness by a survey or test. They're marriges can be just as bad, they're health just as bad, but they can still be happy. A person must go through bad things to appreciate the good things. A christian must go through this life here on earth to appreciate our eternity in heaven. If we were all born in heaven, we wouldn't think it was that great, because we would be used to it!
 
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STATISTICS

A Harvard study reveals that couples who read the Bible together regularly, pray together regularly and attend church together regularly have a divorce rate of 1 in 1287, less than 1/10 of 1%!

SOURCE www.marriages.net

- 40% of first marriages end in divorce.

SOURCE-Divorce Center, Time, September 25, 2000
 
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Eudaimonist said:
You should get out more. ;)

Here is a report on a study that shows that both the deeply believing Christians and nontheists confident in their lack of belief share a positive correlation with health and subjective reports of satisfaction with life compared with agnostics and the mildly religious.

http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/klivingston_faith-reason-good-life.asp

The article is a bit long, but it's worth reading. :)
No, the study you cited (and others cited above) demonstrate that a firm belief - in ANYTHING - can be helpful; that a fellowship with a group of supportive believers - in ANYTHING - can be helpful. None of them demonstrate that christianity is 'anything special' when it comes to these benefits. Whynot?
 
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Jedi christian said:
This doesn't mean they are less happy. You can't judge happiness by a survey or test. They're marriges can be just as bad, they're health just as bad, but they can still be happy. A person must go through bad things to appreciate the good things. A christian must go through this life here on earth to appreciate our eternity in heaven. If we were all born in heaven, we wouldn't think it was that great, because we would be used to it!
And it doesn't mean they're MORE happy, either. Do you have anything to suggest that christians are, in fact, more happy?
 
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Jedi christian said:
STATISTICS

A Harvard study reveals that couples who read the Bible together regularly, pray together regularly and attend church together regularly have a divorce rate of 1 in 1287, less than 1/10 of 1%!

SOURCE www.marriages.net

- 40% of first marriages end in divorce.

SOURCE-Divorce Center, Time, September 25, 2000
Statistics from a christian website, with no specification on where on this pertty large website this study can be found? Sorry, more information required before this can even be admitted as evidence. Surveys show that marriages of christians have no greater (in fact, slightly less) success than those of atheists.
 
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