Why make excuses?

[IamAdopted]

Why do people try to hide from the truth?

Isn't it because they want to continue on doing the thigs they want, even though they know it's wroung?

Given all of the evidence against homosexuality, or any other sin, I have heard people twist the scripture, throw it out, rationalize, deny the scripture etc.

The truth is this:

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The word of God is the truth. When people hear the truth, they have three options:

1. Believe the truth, and walk accordingly.

2. Believe the truth, and walk contrarily.

3. Deny the truth, and hide from it.

If you consider the truth, and walk in it, then you will become wise.

If you ever want to know the truth, just ask JESUS, and He'll show you, although sometimes it is hard to accept.

Because some like darkness instead of light. Scripture tells us this. They would rather explain away and make excuses than to allow the light to reveal the sin. For if it exposes the sin they have no more excuse. But they don't any way because scripture tells us this also.

 

[UberLutheran]

Because some like darkness instead of light. Scripture tells us this. They would rather explain away and make excuses than to allow the light to reveal the sin. For if it exposes the sin they have no more excuse. But they don't any way because scripture tells us this also.

Interesting: the historical-critical method I use for studying and analyzing Scripture brings forth much light from the Scriptures; and "the light dispels the darkness" (John 1; 1 John) -- so, what is the problem?

 

[BAFRIEND]

it is no different form falsely associating black men with rapists to justify discrimination based on skin color.

...perhaps if you were to provide some justification for prejudice and discrimination against an entire minority other than your personal biblical interpretation such a debate could take place.

"associating black men with rapists to justify discrimination based on skin color..."

Fails due to the fact that you are engaging in a "bait and switch" tactic. In no way was anyone associating crimes with skin color. The association was of two immoral sex acts- gay sex and pedophilia. You must be the great alchemist, creating gold out of dust...

 

[IamAdopted]

1) Isaiah 5:20--"Woe unto them who call evil, good, and good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put the bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

This happens when we don't take the whole counsel of the word. We only apply the word to our lives that feels right. We see from the very beginning that God created them male and female and commisioned this to be how it is. Not male and male and not female and female. God created them Male and female. Now God does not change.

 

[UberLutheran]

This happens when we don't take the whole counsel of the word. We only apply the word to our lives that feels right. We see from the very beginning that God created them male and female and commisioned this to be how it is. Not male and male and not female and female. God created them Male and female. Now God does not change.

Then if God does not change, Jesus' death was completely unnecessary and the Law should be able to be fulfilled and we should receive justification from the Law.

Except that we couldn't keep the Law, which is why God sent His Son.

Au contraire: God DOES change. God changed when He left the Ark and resided in the universe; and God changed every time He relented and decided not to punish a person or a city (such as Nineveh in Jonah) -- and a matter of fact, God changes all the time and if He didn't change, we wouldn't be able to respond to Him (and God knows that).

If God didn't change, we would most assuredly be avoiding pork products, not owning cats or dogs, not eating shrimp or oysters, not wearing mixed fabrics, having two complete sets of dishes, and obeying all of the other 608 Laws!

 

[Der Alte]

Not necessarily. But I do believe that I have a point.

It might be perverted in your mind, in my mind your's has been perverted.

That would mean that the scripture I cite would have to have been changed from one thing to another thing. Between the two of us, I am the only one presenting historical evidence backing up my interpretation, e.g. Talmud and ECF. And you got what, showing my interpretation is perverted?

 

[Brieuse]

That would mean that the scripture I cite would have to have been changed from one thing to another thing. Between the two of us, I am the only one presenting historical evidence backing up my interpretation, e.g. Talmud and ECF. And you got what, showing my interpretation is perverted?

common sense

 

[Der Alte]

Interesting: the historical-critical method I use for studying and analyzing Scripture brings forth much light from the Scriptures; and "the light dispels the darkness" (John 1; 1 John) -- so, what is the problem?

But you do not use a historical-critical method! You, as everyone else arguing your side of the argument, you reject the historical evidence presented as if it were deadly poison. Deal with this historical-critical evidence?

Link! to previous post, with Irrefutable historical evidence from the Talmud and early church condemning homosexuality!

 

[Der Alte]

common sense

Yeah right, just like the followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh, to name a few. What you don't got is credible, verifiable, historical evidence, as a matter of fact, I seriously doubt you even know what that is, and you don't got grammatical or lexical evidence.

 

[Brieuse]

Yeah right, just like the followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh, to name a few. What you don't got is credible, verifiable, historical evidence, as a matter of fact, I seriously doubt you even know what that is, and you don't got grammatical or lexical evidence.

if you say so.

 

[BigBadWlf]

"associating black men with rapists to justify discrimination based on skin color..."

Fails due to the fact that you are engaging in a "bait and switch" tactic. In no way was anyone associating crimes with skin color. The association was of two immoral sex acts- gay sex and pedophilia. You must be the great alchemist, creating gold out of dust...

Denial does not change what is there.

You justified and defended the comparing an entire minority to individuals who sexually assault children. Racists used similar if not identical tactics to denigrate blacks and justify bigotry IE falsely compare black men as rapists

Your justification of falsely comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is no different from a racist falsely comparing blacks to rapists.

 

[BigBadWlf]

This happens when we don't take the whole counsel of the word. We only apply the word to our lives that feels right. We see from the very beginning that God created them male and female and commisioned this to be how it is. Not male and male and not female and female. God created them Male and female. Now God does not change.

Which is why eating shellfish is still an abomination…and why it is a sin to cut your hair…and why slavery is morally acceptable…and why killing your own child is not a bad thing at all…because God doesn’t’ change

 

[PinkTulip]

Then if God does not change, Jesus' death was completely unnecessary and the Law should be able to be fulfilled and we should receive justification from the Law.

Except that we couldn't keep the Law, which is why God sent His Son.

Au contraire: God DOES change. God changed when He left the Ark and resided in the universe; and God changed every time He relented and decided not to punish a person or a city (such as Nineveh in Jonah) -- and a matter of fact, God changes all the time and if He didn't change, we wouldn't be able to respond to Him (and God knows that).

If God didn't change, we would most assuredly be avoiding pork products, not owning cats or dogs, not eating shrimp or oysters, not wearing mixed fabrics, having two complete sets of dishes, and obeying all of the other 608 Laws!

Oh my...I don't even know how to answer this. I pray that God will open your heart to hear the Gospel. If you state that God does not change, you are calling God a liar. Malachi 3:6

 

[UberLutheran]

Oh my...I don't even know how to answer this. I pray that God will open your heart to hear the Gospel. If you state that God does not change, you are calling God a liar. Malachi 3:6

Actually, I stated the very opposite: God DOES change.

 

[UberLutheran]

Oh my...I don't even know how to answer this. I pray that God will open your heart to hear the Gospel. If you state that God does not change, you are calling God a liar. Malachi 3:6

If God doesn't change -- why was it necessary for Jesus to come into the world, live as we do, die on the Cross, be buried and resurrected on the third day?

The Law should have been able to cover everything -- but even Paul said that the Jews had the Law (but didn't observe it), and the ones who did observe the Law had hearts which were cold as ice and were so focused on the Law that they left God out of the equation.

If God didn't change, we should be justified by the Law. As it is, because God changed, we're now justified by Christ, by grace, through faith.

That's Lutheran 101.

 

[PinkTulip]

If God doesn't change -- why was it necessary for Jesus to come into the world, live as we do, die on the Cross, be buried and resurrected on the third day?

The Law should have been able to cover everything -- but even Paul said that the Jews had the Law (but didn't observe it), and the ones who did observe the Law had hearts which were cold as ice and were so focused on the Law that they left God out of the equation.

If God didn't change, we should be justified by the Law. As it is, because God changed, we're now justified by Christ, by grace, through faith.

That's Lutheran 101.

Yes, but you cannot say that God changed his mind by sending Christ into the world...Christ has been with us since the beginning. God has always known he would send Jesus into the world. God's plan for the world has been mapped out since the beginning of time. But this conversation is probably for another thread.